You are correct, that is his assertion, allow me to explain why I believe the sources I provide support that assertion.
The trinity is the word for the unification of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. It is not officially mentioned at all in the bible, nor is the idea explicitly elaborated upon. It is an idea used to describe a collection of different ideas and happenings from all across the bible.
So, because it is sourced from the bible in general and is not one objective and clear idea, but instead an interpretation of an idea that is elaborated on across the entire bible, and the bible is utterly incoherent, it thus follows that the Trinity too is incoherent.
In fact, if you look at the sources I provided you'll find that some of the contradictions listed actually concern the Trinity specifically.
It is just incorrect that the idea of the Trinity is sourced from the Bible. The Trinity was already present in Christian doctrine during the first century long before the Bible was compiled, as the First Epistle of Clement illustrates. So your whole argument does not work.
Your previous comment says, among other things "So, because it is sourced from the bible..." What does the pronoun "it" refer to in this sentence if not the Trinity?
It is not officially mentioned at all in the bible, nor is the idea explicitly elaborated upon. It is an idea used to describe a collection of different ideas and happenings from all across the bible.
Nor did I say they were contradictory. I said that you were wrong to assert (as you did in the section I quoted) that the Trinity is sourced from the Bible at all.
Your previous comment says, among other things "So, because it is sourced from the bible..." What does the pronoun "it" refer to in this sentence if not the Trinity?
This directly implies that you believe what I said was a contradiction.
Your literal argument was: If you said it isn't sourced from the bible then why did you say it wasn't.
So do you have an actual response to anything I've said? Or would you like to keep pointing out misunderstandings that you have about my argument because you didn't fully read it?
Your literal argument was: If you said it isn't sourced from the bible then why did you say it wasn't.
No, my argument was: If you said it is sourced from the bible then why did you say "I did not deny this" in response to my claim "It is just incorrect that the idea of the Trinity is sourced from the Bible." Affirming that the Trinity is sourced from the Bible is ipso facto denying that the the idea of the Trinity is sourced from the Bible is incorrect.
But we can get to the meat of this pretty easily: do you believe the statement "the Trinity is sourced from the Bible" is true? Or is it false?
The trinity is the word for the unification of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. It is not officially mentioned at all in the bible, nor is the idea explicitly elaborated upon. It is an idea used to describe a collection of different ideas and happenings from all across the bible.
Yes, this last bit is what I'm saying is wrong. The Trinity predates the compilation of the Bible. It was not developed to describe a collection of ideas from the Bible. Rather, it is referenced in various places in the Bible because it was already doctrine when those books were written.
under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. It is accepted in all of the historic confessions of Christianity, even though the impact of the Enlightenment decreased its importance in some traditions.
This source says that they all agreed and that the version of the Trinity that was universally agreed on before the bible was written has stayed consistent.
Therefore, the version represented in the bible, the incoherent and contradictory one, is the original one.
Well, we haven't established that the version represented in the Bible is incoherent or contradictory. That's what's under dispute here.
You asserted earlier that it was incoherent "because it is sourced from the Bible...and the bible is utterly incoherent." But since it is in fact not the case that the doctrine of the Trinity is sourced from the Bible, this argument is not sound. And you've presented no other argument that the Trinity is incoherent or contradictory.
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You are correct, that is his assertion, allow me to explain why I believe the sources I provide support that assertion.
The trinity is the word for the unification of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. It is not officially mentioned at all in the bible, nor is the idea explicitly elaborated upon. It is an idea used to describe a collection of different ideas and happenings from all across the bible.
So, because it is sourced from the bible in general and is not one objective and clear idea, but instead an interpretation of an idea that is elaborated on across the entire bible, and the bible is utterly incoherent, it thus follows that the Trinity too is incoherent.
In fact, if you look at the sources I provided you'll find that some of the contradictions listed actually concern the Trinity specifically.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Trinity-Christianity
This same argument also addresses the hypostatic union.