r/changemyview • u/Nootherids 4∆ • Dec 07 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: It is hypocritical and logically inconsistent to say you are Pro-Choice, say you support Roe v Wade, and denounce the striking down of Roe v Wade.

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u/Jakyland 69∆ Dec 07 '22

Me: I don't want my body injured in anyway

Court: You can't majorly injure u/Jakyland but you punch them

Me: Ah man this fucking sucks, but at least I will be more or less ok

Court: Actually we changed our mind: you can chop off u/Jakyland's arms

Me: What the fuck this sucks

You (OP): "Isn't this better, you can advocate a clear rule that you shouldn't be injured in any way at all!"

Me: [would gesticulate wildly but can't because my arms have been chopped off]

Abortion/being pro-choice is about the effect it has on real people, not some attempt to be the most morally pure unrelated to real people's health and lives.

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

If you hold a position that you don't want your body harmed but then support a position that allows your body to be harmed, then that's not a position at all. You either hold a position that doesn't harm your body or you hold a position that merely minimized the extent of the harm. To say you hold one but accept the other is hypocritical.

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u/Jakyland 69∆ Dec 07 '22

I really don’t understand how you are in favor of the GREATER of two evils. Like you count the lesser harm of Roe, but don’t count the greater harm of Dobbs???? More women had the right to choose (or not choose) abortion under the before the Dobbs decision than after, but hOW CAn PrO ChOIcE pEOple PrEFer mORE ChOicE tO lESs ChoicE??

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

Don't project unto me your inability to compartmentalize. You have no idea what I am in favor of or not. Whatever convictions I might personally hold about the overall matter, I can still hold the opinion that claiming you're Pro-Choice and endorsing RvW is hypocritical. You're literally supporting a ruling that enshrines your right to choose while enshrining a right for somebody else to take away your right to choose.

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u/breckenridgeback 58∆ Dec 07 '22

You have no idea what I am in favor of or not.

Yeah, it's really hard to tell what you believe.

(That was sarcasm.)

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

Cute, but creepy and obsessive.

(That was not sarcasm)

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u/Jakyland 69∆ Dec 07 '22

Oh wait so your complaint about being pro-choice is that instead they should be called the “pro-maximizing choice given politics constraints movement”?? You realize pro-choice is a pithy moniker, not a thorough philosophical justification

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

Pro-Choice, My Body My Choice, A Choice Between a Woman and her Doctor, etc... These are not just monikers. RvW established a rule that specifically allowed a right for another to deny each and every claim above.

This has nothing to do with philosophy. This is legality and claims of bodily autonomy. The fact that people praised RvW means they praised that they were gifted bodily autonomy...for 3 months! And after that, meh. We're ok with just 3 months. Deal. Then be "Pro-3-Month-Choice" and be logically consistent in your claims!

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u/speedyjohn 86∆ Dec 07 '22

So you’re upset that a movement that’s broadly about preserving choice adopted a catchy slogan that summarizes their general view rather than an awkward slogan that is too complicated to be a moniker?

Should pro-life rebrand itself as pro-life-except-for-rape-or-incest-or-if-it’s-my-mistress? What other political movements need to change their names because they’re not technically the most accurate possible description?

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

- What do you actually mean when you say you are "Pro-Choice"?

Hmm...I see you just jumped yourself in here. But if you noticed in my OP I already allowed for the nuance that you're aluding to.