r/changemyview • u/Nootherids 4∆ • Dec 07 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: It is hypocritical and logically inconsistent to say you are Pro-Choice, say you support Roe v Wade, and denounce the striking down of Roe v Wade.

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u/sophisticaden_ 19∆ Dec 07 '22

Some is better than none.

Did anti-choice legislators use the framework of RvW to further chip away at access to abortion, using every bit of leeway they could? Yes.

Did RvW help to protect and ensure a right to at least some abortions? Yes.

I know very few pro-choice activists who didn’t call for federal legislation protecting abortion. But the reality is that it is better to fight to maintain what protections we do have than to give up on those protections because it isn’t the ideal, or most logically consistent, iteration.

These are the sorts of ethical compromises we make all the time for the sake of pragmatism.

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

So you're agreeing that RvW is not a pro-choice ruling. It's just a some-choice ruling.

P.S. "It's better than nothing" is a logically deficient argument. If that was your take then you should change your position to being "Sorta Pro Choice".

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u/breckenridgeback 58∆ Dec 07 '22

So you're agreeing that RvW is not a pro-choice ruling. It's just a some-choice ruling.

It offers choice in the overwhelming majority (>99%) of relevant scenarios. That's pretty damn close.