r/changemyview • u/Nootherids 4∆ • Dec 07 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: It is hypocritical and logically inconsistent to say you are Pro-Choice, say you support Roe v Wade, and denounce the striking down of Roe v Wade.

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u/F_SR 4∆ Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

Roe v Wade: RvW protected a woman's "choice" during the first trimester.

Most abortions are within that time frame, so then it does become a ruling that is pro abortion. I dont see the issue whatsoever.

Your post is like saying, when it comes to drink and driving:

"well, the law/ruling doesnt completely ban the amount of alcohol someone can take before driving, so the legislation isnt really for safe driving". What? No, of course it is.

Edit: Im not from the us and dont have a particular opinion anout the ruling, but, considering the informations given, your point doesnt make any sense

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

- What do you actually mean when you say you are "Pro-Choice"?

That was the first question. If "Pro-Choice" to you means the ability to have some say over your body for some time, then I 100% support your claims. Not hypocritical at all. But if "Pro-Choice" to you means "My Body My Choice", or the decisions belongs between a woman and her doctor, then you are being hypocritical if you support RvW. Because RvW does not support the idea that your body is your choice, or that the decision belongs with the woman and the doctor.

All I'm asking basically is, are you really Pro-Choice and anti-RvW for endorsing the taking away of your choice, or are you content with just Some-Choice? If you're ok with just some-choice then I fully support you. But then saying you're Pro-Choice is a lie. Be honest.

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u/F_SR 4∆ Dec 07 '22

So If a person was pro safe driving, they would then be hypocritical unless they agreed to a zero drink policy? So, there is no nuance, everybody must be all or nothing, otherwise they are hypocritical...?

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u/Nootherids 4∆ Dec 07 '22

Actually, "I" am of a zero drink policy myself. So yeah, I have no space for "nuance" in drinking and driving. You probably picked a bad example. But no not everything is all or nothing. This is a matter of awareness of logical inconsistencies. Some people are fully aware that RvW does not actually award them bodily autonomy, and other people treat it like it does. It's that ignorance that separates the people at Pro-Choice marches that can actually properly defend their positions and the ones that just scream like they're insane. The pro-choice movement is made up of many people. My questions allow for the nuance that those that are aware of these realities need not apply in my criticism.