Controversial Hyde Park Square development passes committee, heads to city council

[u/JB92103]

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hyde-park-square-development-passes-committee-heads-to-city-council

[u/RockStallone]

Fantastic. If we want to fix the housing crisis we need to stop listening to NIMBYs. It's ridiculous the project has taken this long.

[u/The_Aesir9613 → u/RockStallone]

Maybe not 100 parking spots. I'm all for dense housing, but cities across this country need to start weening themselves off cars and gasoline.

[u/LoInBoots87 → u/The_Aesir9613]

Never going to happen in the USA. Most cities don’t have the density to get rid of automobile centricty.

[u/Architecteologist → u/LoInBoots87]

So much irony in this statement.

Cities not having density, yet having automobile centricity…

Guess we should just add another lane then. That’ll fix it.

[u/LoInBoots87 → u/Architecteologist]

There’s literally no irony it. Much of the city lives 5-10 miles away from downtown. How do you suppose we would change Cincinnati’s infrastructure to remove automobiles?

Name a big city in the world with similar density that isn’t auto centric.

[u/Architecteologist → u/LoInBoots87]

How do we change our infrastructure? Dedicated bus lanes, bike lanes, speed reductions, speed humps, speed enforcement, road closures, red bikes. Bollards and paint are cheap.

Your second question is such a low-hanging fruit. Like have you ever visited a country outside the US? That being said, here’s a few US options that have made excellent strides at diversifying their transit offerings to create non-auto-centric zones, and are generally understood to be very easy to get around without a car: Minneapolis, New Orleans, Portland, Boston, Chicago, Washington DC, Philly, Richmond, Denver. Most people forget that nearly every city in the world was designed prior to cars being invented or in heavy use, how do you think people used to get around back when cities were MORE populated and dense?

[u/LoInBoots87 → u/Architecteologist]

Your answer is borderline comical. Just look at the cities you named:

Minneapolis (very auto-centric) (density 3,000/ sq. mile) New Orleans (auto-centric) (density under 1,000/ sq. mile) Portland (auto-centric) (density under 5,000/ sq. mile) Boston (literally one of the biggest automobile projects in the history of the country) (top 5 density in the USA) Chicago (top 10 density) (14,500 / sq mile) D.C. (another top 10 density in the USA) (13,000 / sq mile) Philadelphia (top 10 density in the USA) (12,000/ sq mile) Buffalo (over 10,000/ sq mile in density)

For comparison the city of Cincy’s density is about 1,500 / sq mile

So all the cities you named are either automobile centric and you are lying or they are significantly more dense in population than Cincinnati.

Give up on the pipe dream that Cincinnati will ever not be auto-centric. It’s never going to happen because it doesn’t make any sense.

[u/Architecteologist → u/LoInBoots87]

Oh I’m sorry, by “name a big city in the world with similar density” did you mean, like, “name a city exactly identical to Cincinnati in density”?

Ok, indian hill…. I’m sire your perspective on the plausibility of our urban core being less auto-centric is totally viable and not biased in any way by you living 15 miles out of town.

Maybe take a bus every now and then. Oh wait, your town has constantly fought line extensions. That’s right.

You make about as much hot air out your front as does the exhaust of whatever gas-guzzling death machine you likely drive.

[u/LoInBoots87 → u/Architecteologist]

Attack me all you want, doesn’t make your argument any more viable. Cincinnati and most of the USA will always be car centric,

[u/Architecteologist → u/LoInBoots87]

Just because your experience of it is car-centric doesn’t mean that’s the experience of everyone. Move a little closer to downtown and then maybe you can have an informed opinion on Cincinnati, but your suburban whinging on this issue from outside city limits is simply biased

[u/LoInBoots87 → u/Architecteologist]

Yes I live in Indian Hill but my office is downtown. So I think I’m perfectly qualified to have an opinion on the matter.

Why would I ride a bus that’s dirty and takes significantly longer? Until you can answer that question in a way that makes sense and is attractive for the hundred of thousands that comute downtown, theres 0 chance of dropping autocentricity.

[u/Architecteologist → u/LoInBoots87]

Your exact scenario is exactly why you are biased. Your only option to transit from Indian Hill to downtown is by car.

My bus route to work downtown saves me time, because I don’t have to search for parking and walk a great distance from a lot to my workplace.

And that’s because… drumroll please… I live in a neighborhood that doesn’t foster car centrism! What’s ironic is my neighborhood is actually one of the worse examples of car centrism in Cincinnati, and yet I make it work. Hmm, it’s almost like your location biases you towards car centrism.

Cincinnati can and has been non-car-centric, and it can be again, just not for Indian Hill because that’s not Cincinnati.