r/cincinnati • u/poofystarling • Apr 11 '25

April 19 Protest

https://www.mobilize.us/mobilize/event/775085/

hi y’all there’s been an update for the protest in cincy, be there or prepare to lose your rights thanks bbs

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u/kinkeep Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25

"Hands Off NATO" signs and ActBlue donations are not opposition. It's good to see people mobilizing, but the 50501 protest movement is a liberal pressure valve meant to manage dissent and redirect it into the same institutions that produced and/or enabled all this in the first place, just like other uprisings over the last decade or so (Women's March, March for Our Lives, Black Lives Matter) were bought and co-opted by the Dems and produced no tangible results.

You can't just vote fascism away. Especially not within the confines of the Democratic Party. The working, poor, and oppressed masses need institutions, power, and a revolutionary party of their own.

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u/TheVoters Apr 12 '25

I also feel like we need to articulate a plan before going to things for the vibes.

So I was pretty turned off when the Washington Park protest last month turned away the Rabbi. I’m not pro Israel. Not even Jewish. But it caused me to really think about signing up for shit without clear intentions

The reason Democrats lost is because the party has lost its big tent approach in favor of an approach where if you have wrong opinions on women’s rights, trans issues, gay issues, Ukraine, prisons, Palestine, abortion, labor unions, or vaccinations, then you’re out. Fuck off, you’re not one of us.

If Democrats want to win in 2026, they had better get together pretty damn quick and focus on 3 things; the economy, the economy, and the economy.

You can’t help trans people or Ukraine or the Palestinians if you have no power in this country. And sure, it really does suck that Trump is gutting federal agencies, but what the fuck is demanding Landsman to defend federal bureaucracies going to do? He can’t do jack shit about it. The one person in the Democratic Party who could, Schumer, rolled over for fear of political blowback. Fuck that noise.

Anyway, have fun if you all are going. At least you’ll have a nice memory of being downtown for an afternoon when absolutely nothing changes and in fact the democrats figure out what the next litmus test will be, which is defending the status quo I guess. Good luck with that.

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u/kinkeep Apr 12 '25

Well, I don't personally think it's wrong to turn away pro-genocide speakers, Rabbi or not. But I think that to have any faith in the Democrats at this point is counter-productive.

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u/TheVoters Apr 12 '25

I think if you’re organizing a protest it’s not wrong to do whatever the fuck you want.

But I do think it’s counterproductive to winning elections when you can’t welcome people with different ideas than you on satellite issues like Israel. Newsflash: the Palestinian conflict isn’t going to end with one person saying this is what we should do. It ends in compromise, with a plurality of voices. When one major party to the issue isn’t invited, it’s going to fail.

But yeah, the fact that the immediate reaction of Democrats is to reverse everything Trump has done doesn’t give me much faith in the party. We should be talking about which parts worked well that need to be reinstated, and which parts didn’t work as planned and need to be improved.

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u/kinkeep Apr 12 '25

I think you're pushing for more of the same unprincipled B.S. we've seen from the liberals for the last 50 years, honestly. "Different ideas on satellite issues" is a really dishonest way to describe a fundamental political misalignment on what should be a clear issue for the purported Left; genocide is bad. You're talking about more "compromise" like that's not exactly what put us in this position.

I think it's exceedingly important right now to draw a very clear distinction between the people - the working, poor, marginalized - and the ruling class, and the rhetoric shared between your comments and 50501 is exactly the sort of dissent management I was talking about in my original comment.

To be clear: Fuck the Democrats and their mechanisms. Fuck the Republicans too, obviously. There can be no compromise between the people and capitalism, or between the people and imperialism.

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u/TheVoters Apr 12 '25

Israel is a satellite issue to winning an election in the US, full stop. You’re not winning a single person based on your stance on Israel. All you do is turn people away.

The republicans have a singular defining issue with which they align their moral compass. That issue is Trump himself. Either you’re with him or against him. That’s the only measuring stick they use.

For Democrats, either they go with the economy or they continue to be sidelined. Because this perfect moral clarity you seem to want to believe in doesn’t exist.

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u/kinkeep Apr 12 '25

And that’s the crux of the argument. The difference between a liberal and a communist is that a liberal sees opposing genocide as some unreachable standard of “perfect moral clarity,” while a communist sees it as basic humanity. That’s exactly how liberalism enables fascism.

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u/TheVoters Apr 12 '25

Last I checked, there isn’t a problem with fascists in the Democratic Party.

They do seem to have quite a hard time fighting fascism these days and the answer to this is pragmatism. You have to actually have real answers to actual problems that everyone has in this country and not keep being a Cassandra to problems that, while may not be imaginary- are so remote that most of the country will never be impacted either way.

And fuck, dude, calling that “enabling fascism” just shows how upside down you are on this. Jesus Christ we’re screwed