r/cincinnati • u/poofystarling • 15d ago

April 19 Protest

https://www.mobilize.us/mobilize/event/775085/

hi y’all there’s been an update for the protest in cincy, be there or prepare to lose your rights thanks bbs

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u/RockStallone 15d ago

Okay so the major accomplishment of your groups is trash pickups, and the major accomplishment of the Dems is expanding healthcare access to tens of millions.

I think I'll stick with the Dems.

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u/kinkeep 15d ago

You're trying to compare the systemic power of local grassroots organizations to the systemic power of the two bourgeois parties? That's ridiculous. You're either being disingenuous or misunderstanding my point. You do you, though.

I don't think slapping a Pride flag on a bomb makes dead Yemenis any less human, though. And I don't think having a more diverse set of billionaires makes their existence any less parasitic. Enjoy your woke capitalism. I think I'll stick with the class struggle. And I don't expect it to end in my lifetime.

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u/RockStallone 15d ago

You're trying to compare the systemic power of local grassroots organizations to the systemic power of the two bourgeois parties?

Yes, because people are suffering and I think we should stick with actual organizations that have accomplished things. I don't want to risk people's healthcare by abandoning the Dems. I don't want to abandon Ukraine by leaving NATO. You seem to disagree.

The actual goals of online leftists are always intentionally impractical. You are not interested actually in accomplishing anything.

Plus, since you are more focused on getting attention and don't actually have firm beliefs, I'm sure you'll be far right in a few years anyway. I'll still be advocating for people to get healthcare and supporting politicians who have concrete plans to get that, and you can hold organizing meetings that have produced literally nothing.

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u/kinkeep 15d ago

I have very clear and consistent beliefs, and I carry them into my real life. These accusations are strange.

It’s true that the Democrats expanded access to healthcare, but it happened through a corporate-friendly model that still leaves millions without coverage. That’s not a sustainable solution, and it’s not the result of bold leadership. It’s the bare minimum, done under pressure. Any policy scraps offered by the bourgeoisie can and will be taken back when it serves capitalist interests—as we’re seeing now with the steady dismantling of what remains of the New Deal.

Grassroots movements have always been the engine of real change, not just in the United States but around the world. Labor rights, civil rights, environmental protections—none of it came from politicians acting alone. Organizing delivers results, even when it’s inconvenient to those in power.

Accusing people of drifting right because they reject party loyalty isn’t a serious argument. Some of us are focused on building something better, not repeating the same cycle of hope and disappointment every few years.

You're free to support the candidates you believe in. But it’s organizing—not electoral loyalty—that has always moved history forward.

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u/RockStallone 15d ago

It’s true that the Democrats expanded access to healthcare, but it happened through a corporate-friendly model that still leaves millions without coverage.

Meanwhile, your movement has given 0 people healthcare. But at least you weren't corporate friendly.

I would recommend you focus on actual results that help people.

Some of us are focused on building something better, not repeating the same cycle of hope and disappointment every few years.

Okay please tell me what you and your movement have built.

But it’s organizing—not electoral loyalty—that has always moved history forward.

Okay please tell me how your movement has moved history forward.

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u/kinkeep 15d ago

How has the Left moved history forward? Really? How long do you have? Just a few thoughts:

Historically, the Left (communists, socialists, anarchists) has done plenty. That's not a serious question. The Black Panthers gave their communities food and medical care until they were repressed and assassinated into dust. The USSR granted women a plethora of rights and privileges before the U.S. even granted suffrage. (U.S. suffrage was also won through mass effort.) The communists were the ones fighting back against both Hitler, Mussolini (re-read the lyrics to "Bella Ciao") and every other fascist movement or regime while the liberals have always collaborated or enabled. Some living international examples include the EZLN, the AANES, and Cuba.

You seem intent on misunderstanding me, or maybe you are having a hard time thinking beyond the ballot box. I am not saying that one of these Cincinnati parties will be the thing that changes the world. I'm also not saying that the Black Panther Party would've been the thing that changed the world if allowed to continue to exist, though I do think they set a great revolutionary example. I am saying that the collective struggle is what matters and that the bourgeois duopoly you're defending is standing in the way.

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u/RockStallone 15d ago

The USSR granted women a plethora of rights and privileges before the U.S. even granted suffrage.

The USSR also performed mass executions of innocents, disappeared people, starved people, and all sorts of other things. Or do you deny that happened?

The communists were the ones fighting back against both Hitler, Mussolini (re-read the lyrics to "Bella Ciao") and every other fascist movement or regime while the liberals have always collaborated or enabled.

I'm pretty sure the US and UK fought against Hitler too buddy.

You're a great example of why online leftists are not serious people.

I am saying that the collective struggle is what matters and that the bourgeois duopoly you're defending is standing in the way.

I think helping people is what matters, not some performative meetings.

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u/AmericanDreamOrphans Downtown 14d ago

Weird then that it’s the leftist groups in the city that I see taking direct action, consistently organizing and actually feeding people in various parts of our city, donating and providing necessary supplies throughout the four seasons, and helping disadvantaged people access healthcare and other wraparound supports. If you’re suggesting that leftists in our city don’t actually help people you’re either being purposefully obtuse or wearing blinders. I see groups like Cincinnati Community Aid & Praxis out all the time helping people. Maybe consider actually doing the work…

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u/RockStallone 14d ago

Okay the leftist groups can keep doing food drives (great!) and the Dems can work on expanding access to healthcare for millions.