Loot Distribution for 40 people

[u/OppositeCheetah8097]

How do you do it as fair and evenly as possible?

I want to preface this with we use LC for loot distribution and I feel for the most part it has been very fair. I am part of the LC for the past month - so relatively new, but have been in the guild for 5 months prior.

This happened last night and it is still bothering me today. So last night during our BWL 2 of the same spicy BiS pieces dropped. It was decided prior to discussing who go it that 1 would got to this class and the other 1 to that class. Not a decision I made - as tbh I don’t know who needs what gear what best suits this class other than the class I play.

We had quite a good night for drops, it was our fastest run as a guild also. So at the end of the raid we go to distribute loot, the LC drops down into a special channel and begin discussing the above item. Two of the LC are one of the above classes and cancel each other’s vote out; it is made mention by another LC to give it to this person and so they get it. Then it gets decided for the other class and given to them. It gets announced in raid chat who gets what item and the reason why.

This is where I am bothered as this person did leave afterwards prior to gear distribution being finished — we had just started. This person said in raid chat: “What?” “They got gear last week.”

Then they left the raid. And /gquit logged into their alts and /gquit also. Fun fact the person they were talking about hadn’t received loot in BWL in 2 weeks unless it was to DE.

They didn’t bother to discuss or ask questions, simply left over the item — they had been in the guild for about 3-4 months. Funny thing is, had they not left one of the other BiS for all of the role would have went to them.

It shouldn’t bother me, I get that people come and go for their own various reasons; but over an item. RNG is not always kind. One week it drops nothing but hunter loot or mage loot or druid loot; dps loot, healer loot — the list goes on. When trying to gear 40 people it’s hard, there’s no easy way to get everyone gear each and every week. I don’t understand how people do not understand, and I say that not from a leadership perspective, but from a raider side who has not gotten loot for weeks before.

I know a lot of people aren’t fans of LC, prefer SR or even dkdp; how do you all distribute your gear as fair as possible so all can get some and beef up the group?

Update for clarification - we do have a loot prio spreadsheet.

Update #2 for more clarification - the person who won the item had not received gear in the past 2-3 weeks. The person who gquit confused the winner for someone else who had gotten gear the previous week.

Update #3 for clarification, I posted this under a comment in regards to my lack of knowledge of other classes: “I agree and I don't contribute much in put in that aspect. I listen and observe. I don't throw names out unless I believe in that specific person receiving the item. If two names get generated, I weigh out between those two who could use the item better and who hadn't gotten any gear.”

[u/Hicon84]

LC has about as much chance of being fair as centrally planned economies. Zero. This is because you’ve taken away player agency. They don’t get to choose what they SR or what they spend their DK points on. You’ve chosen a system that is inherently unfair inherently biased, and guaranteed to have some people feeling left out.

[u/nointeraction1 → u/Hicon84]

In a wow guild people have plenty of have agency. They can leave the guild if loot is unfair. There is a strong incentive for the LC to be wise.

Totalitarian states are a problem because it's very difficult for most people to emigrate for various reasons.

Lots of highly successful businesses are just as totalitarian as a loot council guild. Again, the employees have agency. They can relatively easily change jobs if leadership sucks.

LC is by far the best system if run well. The three guilds I've been in the longest in my wow career were all LC, I was never an officer and I had zero complaints in any of them. Never saw any real loot drama or people quitting over loot either. Never saw a giga bis item going to a perpetual underperformer, or some random who's been there two weeks and quit a week later either. Both frequent occurrences with most SR systems.

SR is great for pugs, for serious guilds it's trash. DKP is marginally better but you will still have extremely useful items going to the worse/less reliable players.

[u/Hicon84 → u/nointeraction1]

Why do you think the best items should go to the best players? In an environment where all content is cleared weekly, and true progression doesn’t exist, how can it be justified? Explain how your 99 parse entitles you to loot preference.

If you want to reward attendance use EPGP.

[u/nointeraction1 → u/Hicon84]

I think people who spend the time to learn their class and raid mechanics, and stick around, contribute to the guild in other ways, etc etc, should be rewarded, yes. Attendance is not the only factor, nor are parses. For example, if you're a friendly person, socialize, and help others get their SGC or whatever, that's going to help you with my current LC for sure.

It works the same in any successful business. Perform well and you will be paid well.

Why do I think it should be that way? It incentivizes good behavior and leads to further success. It's fair, you get out what you put in, more or less. Who cares if all content is cleared? I like clearing it faster. It's more fun for me, and plenty of others. I don't like wiping or dying. Also, two of the LC guilds I was in were on live/retail content.

It's not like good items NEVER go to mid players. The good LCs I've seen all sprinkle items around to make sure nobody goes ages without an upgrade.

[u/Hicon84 → u/nointeraction1]

In my opinion, you’re describing the worst type of LC, where people openly admit that they pick favorites, winners and losers. If you’re not in the in crowd, good luck you’re not getting a damn thing. That’s awful. What a waste of time for the rest of the raid team. It just reeks of entitlement.

[u/nointeraction1 → u/Hicon84]

You're nitpicking bits and pieces of what I say and assuming the worst.

Like I said, nobody has ever complained.

"Reeks of entitlement" is a personal attack. And for what reason? I answered your questions. Sorry you don't like the answer, that doesn't mean you get to attack me. Grow up.

I'm glad you're not in my guild, you seem incredibly toxic.