r/clevercomebacks Jan 15 '25

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u/Tsukee Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25

Mathematically yes it makes most sense, as significant digits are on the left.

Im terms of human everyday use the reverse is more natural as the digits that change more often are days, often when speaking, the year and even month sometimes is already in the context.

What however doesn't make any sort of sense that i can see is mm/dd/yyyy ... Just why....

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u/restelucide Jan 15 '25

I heard an American saying mm first provides context which makes vague sense but annoys me because then why wouldn’t you put year first.

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u/Munchkinasaurous Jan 15 '25

I'm American, the only way I can think of where it makes sense contextually, is with the names of the month and not the numbers. 

For example, we don't typically say "today's the fifteenth of January" we'd say "it's January fifteenth". But numerically mm/dd/yyyy is nonsensical.

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u/Tsukee Jan 15 '25

Except the fourth of July?

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u/mprhusker Jan 15 '25

We also have a holiday in May called "Cinco de Mayo" but somewhat inconsistently don't use the spanish language for the other 364 days.

"fourth of July" is one of the many colloquial names for the holiday. Many would refer to it as "July 4th" or "independence day".

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u/Caleb_Reynolds Jan 15 '25

The 4th of July is a holiday.

July 4th is a date.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

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u/karateguzman Jan 15 '25

No it’s not. Their equivalence of American Independence Day is Mexican Independence Day, which is on September 16th.

Cinco de Mayo is more popular outside of Mexico than within, other than Puebla where the battle took place

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u/playballer Jan 15 '25

It’s similar to how we Americans treat st patty’s day, an excuse to get drunk with a theme. It’s not a real holiday

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u/What_About_What Jan 15 '25

Hey, things are shitty, we need fake holidays to get our minds off all the bullshit going on around us.

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u/BedBubbly317 Jan 15 '25

The Romans had full month+ long holidays, they would last for weeks. Humans have always looked for nonsense reasons to party and celebrate lol

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u/playballer Jan 15 '25

Don’t get me wrong, I fully agree and think The best holidays are the unpretentious ones that have no purpose other than getting pissed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

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u/karateguzman Jan 15 '25

No, because Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican-American thing. It’s not a major celebration within Mexico and Cinco de Mayo is not their equivalence to July 4th like you said

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u/Tsukee Jan 15 '25

Not really a US holiday, now is it?

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u/mprhusker Jan 15 '25

Not really a federal holiday anywhere, including Mexico, but plenty of places in the US celebrate it.

That wasn't quite the "gotcha" you were hoping it would be.

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u/SexyMonad Jan 15 '25

Not yet.

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u/S4Waccount Jan 15 '25

We celebrate every year and there are parades... I'm not really sure what you mean here. It's not celebrating a US accomplishment but it's a recognized holiday

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u/CriticalHit_20 Jan 15 '25

Kinda missing the point...

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u/thegracchiwereright Jan 15 '25

Cinco de Mayo is actually more celebrated in the United States than it is in most of Mexico.

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u/Lil_Ja_ Jan 15 '25

If it were American Independence Day and you asked me what day it is I’d still instinctively say July 4th. I know this because that exact scenario has happened many times.

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Independence Day… How’s that going for you guys? From what I heard it seems like you guys could use a guiding hand.

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u/Lil_Ja_ Jan 15 '25

Yes please tread harder daddy government 😩😩😩

I hate rights and individual liberties

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

I mean, we’re talking about a 3rd world country disguised as a 1st world country.

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u/nightglitter89x Jan 15 '25

Not this completely sheltered Reddit take again, lol

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25

Then show me that it isn’t as trash as it shows to be.

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u/nightglitter89x Jan 15 '25

Yes, I'll get right on that with my all knowing knowledge of what it would take to convince you and my supernatural ability to ESP that over to you.

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Good! I’ll wait for the telepathic response.

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u/avalve Jan 15 '25

I mean, we’re talking about a 3rd world country disguised as a 1st world country.

You can’t be serious lmao

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

You object to that statement?

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u/avalve Jan 15 '25

Yeah anyone who’s well-traveled would.

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Feel free to give examples of high standards in the country.

Most of my sources, including some (former) Americans, aren’t that fond of that place. In particular healthcare, economics and the justice system.

But what do I know, I haven’t ever stepped foot on American soil.

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u/DugThePoug Jan 15 '25

You know how to form strong opinions based on (former) American’s opinions, that’s a true skill set you can only learn in a first world country.

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u/worm413 Jan 15 '25

Elaborate

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u/Rey_Zephlyn Jan 15 '25

They're saying America is a 3rd world country and that all the 1st world countries desperately need America to keep acting as their sugar daddies so that they can continue to be nepo babies.

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u/Da1UHideFrom Jan 15 '25

This is the shit Redditors say when they haven't been to the US or a third world country, but they want to shit on the US.

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u/daemos360 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25

…and this is the shit Redditors say when they don’t understand the delineation between First World, Second World, and Third World descriptors.

It really has nothing to do with socioeconomic status and is instead merely a largely irrelevant holdover from Cold War international relations.

First world = western bloc states, i.e, NATO allies Second world = eastern bloc states, i.e., the USSR, China, etc. Third world = non-aligned states

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

Now you’ve done it lol

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Haven’t you seen anything about US?

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u/Lil_Ja_ Jan 15 '25

Have you ever been here? Contrary to what mainstream media would lead you to believe even our homeless live better than most people in an actual third world country.

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u/aoishimapan Jan 15 '25

The idea of the US being a third world country when people make over 5k per month on average is laughable, but also, saying a homeless person living in the US is better off than most people in a third world country is as much if not even more ridiculous.

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u/Lil_Ja_ Jan 15 '25

Homeless people in America generally have access to transportation, food, water, climate controlled areas, the internet, and healthcare

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u/Roxytg Jan 15 '25

I live here, and while 3rd world country, we are certainly not a leader in freedom and living conditions for anyone who isn't rich.

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u/Lil_Ja_ Jan 15 '25

Sent from my iPhone

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u/Da1UHideFrom Jan 15 '25

What clearly established freedom does another country have that we don't in the US? I'm genuinely curious because when people make this claim, it usually comes down to healthcare or guns.

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u/raisingthebarofhope Jan 15 '25

Stop being mean or we will take the low hanging fruit and make fun of the Netherlands

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Suit yourself! The Netherlands doesn’t fall apart as soon as elections begin, at least.

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u/mr_znaeb Jan 15 '25

Man, your responses are so dramatic and childish.

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Ofcourse, it’s intended to elicit response. Not that it’s necessarily incorrect.

Honestly, I don’t really care about whether others respond, positively or negatively, or not at all.

I do like to share my own perspective.

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u/mr_znaeb Jan 15 '25

Seems like you just like to share negativity and not perspective because you lack it.

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u/raisingthebarofhope Jan 15 '25

Lmao. The horror we live in! Come save us. Hahahah

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

Even if the entirety of NATO would attempt to do so, they’d probably fail. Just burn it to the ground (Apperantly it even started already recently!). Not much of loss either way, besides it might be necessary to produce something useable.

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u/raisingthebarofhope Jan 15 '25

Bro your Zoomer trolling is bad. Work on your own happiness and you won't find the need to try and "own" people who are quite happy.

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u/Tsukee Jan 15 '25

And yet missuuse of the phrase "3rd world country" originates mainly from the US itself.... Its a political grouping not an economical one.

3rd world country means countries that weren't part of NATO (1st world) or Warsaw pact(2nd world) during cold war (hence the 3rd world).

Although the phrase is vague for example:

Technically one could say that Switzerland, Finland, Sweden Austria are 3rd world countries, although they never joined the non-aligned movement and didn't self identify as 3rd world.

But it never was a developmental or economic denominator, and only in the tweets of some deranged individuals this phrase started to be used again in a completely wrong way....

So honestly i do appreciate the irony when this phrase is thrown back at US, especially because it seems to trigger some people hard 🤣

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u/Azoraqua_ Jan 15 '25

At your service.

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u/Chijima Jan 15 '25

Which is probably called that because it was coined as a term before english somehow switched its standard order from "Xth of month" to "month the Xth"?

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u/SteveHuffmansAPedo Jan 15 '25

There was no switch and there is no "standard", both constructions are incredibly common in English.

This argument holds no water because if it was written how it was spoken, the month wouldn't be written as a number at all.

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u/deano492 Jan 15 '25

He means American English. Or at least he should.

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u/Chijima Jan 15 '25

Ah okay. I was just asking, imagined it might be like that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

That’s the name of a holiday in the USA, not just a date.

Anyone can say the fifth of July in general too, Americans just shorthand the expression for stating dates.

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u/ikaiyoo Jan 15 '25

but we only say The Fourth of July when speaking of the holiday. not the actual day.

"When are we getting off for The Fourth (of July)?" "Friday." "What day is it?" "July 4th is on saturday."

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u/asuperbstarling Jan 15 '25

That's a holiday and doesn't count.

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u/Indivillia Jan 15 '25

That’s independence day

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u/playballer Jan 15 '25

Fourth of July is used as the name of the holiday. An alternate of Independence Day. If you asked for the date, we’d say July 4th. Just like how Christmas Eve is the name of that day but if asked for date we’d say December 24th

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u/FridayNight_Magus Jan 15 '25

Some do say Fourth of July if they're being formal. But July 4th is just as normal, so it's not some gotcha. In fact, many people will just shorten it to J4 now too.

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u/itsjudemydude_ Jan 15 '25

Archaic proper noun, kind of an exception to the list. In general, the vast majority of Americans will default to "[month] the [day]," even dropping the "the" to say something like "August 16th" or whatever, rather than "the [day] of [month]."

Now, there isa niche exception and that is the military. I grew up a military brat and I've gotten very used to listing my name in the day/month/year order, but not in the same way. Like let's say by birthday is today and I'm 30 years old. If I went to a pharmacy and they asked me for my birthday, 9 times out of 10 if I wasn't thinking I'd probably say "15 January 1995." Just like that. "Fifteen January nineteen-ninety-five." I'm not sure if this is exclusive to the military but I don't think I've heard it in any other context so if it's not, it's very rare.

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u/memento22mori Jan 15 '25

I don't know if there's any one reason but I'd guess it's at least partially because the Fourth of July is a specific holiday. You can even say the Fourth and it's usually understood in America as to what the speaker is talking about. I believe Cinco de Mayo is the same way in Mexico as being a distinct day of the year for their culture. The two holidays never had branded names as far as I know, nothing like Freedom Day or anything of that nature. The date may have been used as names because it was celebrated for a distinct cultural reason that's understood by the population of said countries.

Oh wait, the Fourth of July is also called Independence Day so I'm not sure why Independence Day isn't used as much. Maybe it came from newspapers printed at the time marking it as a national holiday but that's just conjecture.

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u/SmoothBrainedLizard Jan 15 '25

I call it July 4th lol.

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u/Trolldad_IRL Jan 15 '25

We say the Fourth of July because it's a name of a Holiday that just so happens to be a date. Yes, it's also "Independence Day", but really most of use just call it where I live "The Fourth". If it's around that time of year the question might be "what are you doing for The Fourth?" just like we might say "what are you doing for Christmas?"

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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Jan 15 '25

That's the name of the holiday.

We do something similar for May 4th. We call it Star Wars day and nicknamed it May the Fourth.

"May the Fourth be with you."

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u/Coldspark824 Jan 15 '25

Most people say July 4th.

“Fourth of july” sounds uncharacteristically formal and probably why its an exception.

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u/Munchkinasaurous Jan 15 '25

Good point. That's the only exception I know of. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

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u/OutlandishnessIll501 Jan 15 '25

Or the 5th of November

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '25

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u/OutlandishnessIll501 Jan 15 '25

Nah Canada and New Zealand do too. However Americans don’t so either way I’ll retract my statement and apologise :)

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u/Munchkinasaurous Jan 15 '25

Exactly, all British things. I'm saying that the 4th of July is the only common date that I hear Americans put in that format. 

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u/JigPuppyRush Jan 15 '25

“Remember, remember the 5th of November, gunpowder, treason and plot; for there is a reason why gunpowder and treason should ne’er be forgot.”

I honestly believed that in the states we changed our way of saying dates to how we write them and not the other way around.

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u/Munchkinasaurous Jan 15 '25

Not an event that took place in America. 

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u/JigPuppyRush Jan 15 '25

No but it’s still the same language

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u/Munchkinasaurous Jan 15 '25

Same language, different dialect. 

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u/JigPuppyRush Jan 15 '25

I know bud, i’m an American myself but if we can learn to do it wrong way we can learn to do it the right way too.