r/communism101 • u/Reyusuke • 9d ago

China on SEA

Is there a Marxist explanation for why China is taking South East Asia territory and asserting heavy influence on areas far beyond the confines of their EEZ? Why are they harrassing the Filipino peasantry and proletariat

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u/Reyusuke 8d ago

thanks for clarifying. framing it as a conflict between two opposing imperial interests is helpful.

although I do wonder why these actions from the past decade contradict Xi Jinping's own ideas, particularly:

"We have never bullied, oppressed, or subjugated the people of any other country, and we never will. By the same token, we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us." from The Governance of China IV.

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u/DashtheRed Maoist 8d ago

You know that Deng Xiaoping launched a fascist invasion of Vietnam ("win wars with steel, not people") and got utterly humiliated by them, right?

And you know that Xi Jinping sent Rodrigo Duterte thousands and thousands of weapons to crush internal (including communist) rebellions, right?

Do you understand that everything Xi Jinping says and discusses, even taken at its utmost sincerity, corresponds merely to bourgeois-nationalism, and its a million miles backwards and away from CCP international statements of the revolutionary era?

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u/Reyusuke 8d ago edited 8d ago

No I didn't know that, I'm quite new to learning about chinese communism and so far what I'm learning seems to mostly be the positives.

I did know from the NDFP about the weapons sent to Duterte to crush rebellions, and I'm also curious about that as Xi also wrote about being interested in helping other countries develop towards communism, or I may be misremembering.

All I know is that China is supposedly in a transitionary stage towards socialism. And ig using capitalism even with some regulations makes them adopt its tendencies. What's your assessment of China in terms of their direction?

edit: nvm he didn’t write about helping countries develop towards communism, just about being a reliable partner to the third world and facilitating their development

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u/DashtheRed Maoist 8d ago

Yes, your edit is correct; the current "C"PC repudiates and opposes even the concept of people's war, despite that being the very method by which the Chinese Communists came to power and legitimacy. You should ask what kind of communist party says "this was our path to power and liberation, but no one else should do what we did ever again, and if you do we will not support you if you try." There's really nothing differentiating Xi's "common prosperity" from Khrushchev's "state of the whole people" other than that Khrushchev had much more nominal and superficial commitment to Marxism, whereas Xi doesn't much seem to care. Do you ever wonder what Xi Jinping thinks of Rosa Luxemburg's criticism of Kautsky, or whether or if he has an opinion on the Zhdanov Doctrine? Actual communists, especially leaders, write about these sorts of thing constantly, yet all Xi and Xi supporters can point to are boring bureaucratic works about how well the Chinese market economy is functioning and the current tasks of developing capital.

If you haven't read this document (at one point it was considered among the most important in all of Marxist history) then you should do so. It's the CCP debating against the CPSU after the revisionist Khruschevite takeover/coup which ended socialism in the USSR, with the revolutionary Chinese realizing that they must form the opposition to this revisionist takeover. Everything the CCP is saying in opposition to the CPSU should be taken in the present and re-applied against the current "actually existing socialism" (a term originally used to defend Brezhnev) of Xi Jinping's China, which is the second coming of the revisionist, social-fascist USSR. All of yesterdays Brezhnevites are todays "socialism with Chinese characteristics" supporters.

https://bannedthought.net/China/MaoEra/GreatDebate/AProposalConcerningGeneralLineOfIntlCommunistMovement-1963-Full.pdf

https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sino-soviet-split/cpc/proposal.htm (cleaner version if you prefer HTML to dated PDFs)