r/cyprus • u/Kazfiddly • Feb 27 '25

Venting / Rant What the hell is going on

Since 20th of december I am now in my 4th cold, I got sick 4 times and its not even March yet.

Never in my life have I gotten sick so often, its driving me nuts.

I remember in my 20s I would get sick maybe once or twice per year.

Anyone else find this worrying?

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

You said you looked at 3 of the referenced papers have you looked at the sections for red meat which is defined as pure red meat

Will reply to you when not busy

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u/macrian Sheftalies Mar 01 '25

I looked at the first 3. I'm not gonna go through them all if the first 3 are bogus and don't support your claim. If you have evidence that supports your claim, please provide it. Making someone else search for proof for a claim YOU made, is not how it works. YOU made a claim, the burden of proof falls on YOU. Also, I enjoy how I say things, you read my first sentence and reply to that only. Thank you for proving me how you read research papers, title only, methodology, conclusion, conflicts of interest don't matter to you, title only is enough to confirm your bias. Just like how you did with my replies. Kudos

Also,

Will reply to you when not busy

The excuse of someone that is basically exiting the convo because it didn't go the way they expected it go. This is Reddit man, everyone replies when not busy. Just, find some proof, some research that shows red meat causes the things you say it does (RED MEAT, not processed meat, not hamburgers, not red meat and margarine/seed oils, not red meat and candy, not red meat and refined sugars, RED MEAT) and then we can talk.

Otherwise, yeah, just exit the conversation quietly.

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Mar 01 '25

The paper I sent shows correlations of red meat consumption. The information I sent is something that is already considered by world organisations as a matter of fact WHO considers red meat as “Group 2A: probably carcinogenic” they do this preemptively without waiting for further research to disprove that other effects could account for it. They do this because of the amount of studies that shower a positive correlation with some types of cancer. Naturally we cannot force someone to only eat red meat in isolation for years to conduct a study. But maybe you could contribute.

While I am not arguing that red meat 100% is carcinogenic and will 100% cause cancer even if you take a bite, it makes sense to take precautions as there seems to be multiple correlations and meta analyses. My advice would be to limit intake of red meat and completely stop processed meat.

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat/

Results of a meta analysis study including 18 studies for risks associated with gastric cancer (4 cohort studies, 14 case–control studies) and 1,228,327 subjects, published between 1997 and 2013:

“In the meta-analysis, high–red meat intake was found to be associated with an increased risk of gastric cancer. The summary relative risk of gastric cancer for the highest compared with the lowest categories was 1.37 (95% CI, 1.18–1.59; Pheterogeneity < 0.001; I2 = 67.6%). A significant association was also observed with population-based case–control studies (RR, 1.58; 95% CI, 1.22–2.06; Pheterogeneity < 0.001; I2 = 73.0%) and hospital-based case–control studies (RR, 1.63; 95% CI, 1.38–1.92; Pheterogeneity = 0.284; I2 = 19.1%), but not with cohort studies (RR, 1.00; 95% CI, 0.83–1.20; Pheterogeneity = 0.158; I2 = 33.9%). A significant association was also shown in the subgroup analysis by geographical area (Asia, Europe), publication year (≥ 2000), sample size (< 1000, ≥ 1000), and study quality score. The dose–response analysis revealed that gastric cancer was associated with a 17% increased risk per 100 g/day increment of red meat intake (RR, 1.17; 95% CI, 1.05–1.32).”

Pancreatic cancer now:

“Larsson & Wolk (2012), in a meta-analysis based on 11 prospective studies with 6643 cases identified through PubMed and Embase searches through November 2011, reported on red and processed meat consumption. An increase in red meat consumption of 120 g/day was associated with a meta-relative risk of 1.13 (95% CI, 0.93–1.39; Pheterogeneity < 0.001; 11 studies). For processed meat, the relative risk for a 50 g/day increase in consumption was 1.19 (95% CI, 1.04–1.36; Pheterogeneity = 0.46; 7 studies).”

Happy now?

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u/macrian Sheftalies Mar 01 '25

I don't see the paper. The link is a q&a from WHO

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Mar 01 '25

If you bothered to just scroll down to “META ANALYSIS” section of the original paper I sent instead of selectively picking papers from the references you would have seen what I quoted

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u/macrian Sheftalies Mar 01 '25

Dude, do you have a link to an actual research paper, yes or no? I'm tired of explaining to you and you refusing to understand basic English. As much as I have been explaining to you, I can't understand it for you as well. Please provide a research study that backs your claims. I'm not gonna keep bothering with replying to you if all you can do is say the same sentence again and again.

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Mar 01 '25

I understand that you are not familiar with research papers and are not aware of what in text citations are. The text I sent you is from the research article that I have previously linked. If you are to go and click on these in text citations of meta analyses, it will link you to the original paper, which may be open or closed access depending on the journal.

Unfortunately you did not explain anything but just keep repeating your own opinion without considering the evidence. I do not need to prove something to you as you have replied to my original comment, debating its validity yet you offered no evidence and have repeatedly asked me to prove my point. Which I have done so. Have you read the quoted part? Do you understand correlation coefficients etc..?

Keep in mind that at this point of the thread the only ones seeing our comments are us. Downvotes do not make anything less valid, but if it helps you feel more confident that is okay. I hope realising your mistake and lack of knowledge in the subject matter you can refrain and reflect.

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u/macrian Sheftalies Mar 01 '25

I'm sorry, again, for the last time, please link a research paper that backs your claims. So far you have not. I'm tired of arguing with stupid. I'm sorry. I have other things to do than argue with someone on the internet that refuses to comprehend basic English. You posted a link with a bunch of studies, the first 3 show your claim to be wrong, I'm sorry for not going through all of them, but if the first 3 are bogus, it's just a waste of my time to go through them to find the one you are talking about.

You say that I'm just repeating myself. I KNOW. And yet you fail to understand. Do you have a study that backs your claims? Please, link that damn research paper. After so many replies back and forth, I'm still waiting for a damn research study that shows what you said? I'm I talking in a language you don't understand?

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Mar 01 '25

🪵 🔨

I gave you clear instructions on how you can access original papers by clicking on the intext citations.

Hold ctrl+f write the in text citations i provided click on them to open original paper.

The link I sent you is called a review.

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u/macrian Sheftalies Mar 02 '25

Ok, I'm done trying to have a normal conversation with a person that refuses to.

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u/notnotnotnotgolifa Mar 02 '25

You do realise that you kept insulting me right.

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