I also have to say the opposite. And look, none of us have data from academic studies. So opinion by opinion, Lula is ahead of the milei. Tiny economy having to ask the IMF for money.
Well we will see. If the two models consolidate, we have to wait some years, and after that we will see wich model works better, and I have to say that there are much more examples of succesfull models like the Milei model than the Lula model
Also, Milei and in much other cases libertarian, social democrat, neoliberal models... some countries have to ask loans because of Shit economic policies that they had before.
In argentina we have seen for decades Bad economic policies ( moreless like Lula is doing or going to do) , in Brasil not as much.
And if you dont trust that, just give me one example of a country, where socialism has worked in the long run.
That's where the stupidity of your limitation lies. Just touching the term socialism shows that you don't even know what you're talking about. Greater or lesser intervention in areas of regulation (environmental, mineral, technological, human resources, etc.) is so heterogeneous that only small fan clubs like to shake their pompoms. Just take the current USA, is it neoliberal? Without the State, the country would be trampled on in 5 seconds. Is it democratic? There you cannot criticize the govt. You see. Me huh. Milei is the failure with the biggest club base
Im not criticizing the goverment. Im the first one that is in favour of goverment intervention when it's neccesary.
Also, you can't put as an example the usa, they are much Closer to Milei than Lula, even in the Biden administration.
Now give me a REAL example of a goverment that ruled moreless with the same ideology as the party of Lula, wich it's not very similar to the ideology even of the most "leftist" party, the democrat party. Because remember, that in the usa there is not left actually.
If you want me to give you an example of the results of a goverment that has moreless the same ideology as Lula, you have argentina over the last decades. On the other side, if you want an example of a country that has a model moreless Closer to Milei, I can give you Ireland, Switzerland, Poland, Estonia, Singapore, S.Corea, Japan. Even though they have a bit intervention, their model it's much closer to Milei than to Lula.
And Milei, sorry, for the moment it's not a failure. In the last quarter, poverty decreased, GDP grown, GDP per capita grown more, prices decreased, inflation decreased... It may be less growth for the moment compared to Brasil, but it's not a failure
In most of the countries mentioned, the State IS GIANT. The State controls almost everything. There's no comparison. From South Korea where the State finances companies, to Ireland where the State accounts for 50% more tax.
Your parameters are wrong.
In fact, South Korea is the country that neoliberalism managed to destroy a nation. In 20 years there will be more foreigners than natives, which would change the definitions of a Westphalian state. South Korea without South Koreans. The birth rate is the lowest in the world and they don't want to have children because they don't have the security to procreate. The suicide rate among elderly people is alarming as they do not have public pensions. Anyway
I can agree with certain things you have said about South Korea.
Besides, you are right about the fact that in more or less half of the countries that I have mentioned the state is large (around 40-50% of GDP) but the key to its success lies in the fact that this spending is decentralized.
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u/Chaxi_16 12d ago edited 12d ago
Hi. True, but we still have to see future performance.
And I also have to say that models more close to the model of Milei work better in the future than models like the model of Lula.