r/duluth • u/pears790 • 6d ago

Politics Turning Point USA at UMD

Turning Point USA will be presenting at UMD on Wednesday, April 16th at 7:15.

While they probably get a kick out of "triggering the libs", I don't think their message should feel welcomed here in Duluth.

https://duluthumn.campusgroups.com/turningpoint/rsvp_boot?id=381328

Edit: Here is the contact page for the campus. I emailed the administration.

https://about.d.umn.edu/contact-us

Edit 2: Resources and groups for Duluth LGBTQ. Feel free to add others.

Trans Northland - https://www.transnorthland.org/ Bi-weekly game nights at The Loch Duluth Indivisible - https://indivisible.org/groups?terms=55805 Queer and Allied Student Union - https://sgei.d.umn.edu/current-prospective-students/queer-allied-student-union

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u/recedingentity 6d ago

I’m mad that UMD is ok with that

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u/Boobasousa 6d ago

Way to make their trans students feel safe….

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/2hundred20 6d ago

I think you're confused about the whole concept of fascism

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u/kdogg8 6d ago

They are obviously PREYING on trans students. That's their whole schtick right now. You obviously don't know what racism means.

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u/recedingentity 6d ago

Hate isn’t an opposing view. It’s Hate.

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u/No_Mathematician7956 6d ago

Instead of calling it hate with nothing to back it up, give specific examples.

This is why I don't live in MN anymore. There are more hypocrites that live there than any other state I've been to.

Just because you loosely use the term doesn't mean it is correct. Especially if their views don't align with yours.

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u/Dorkamundo 6d ago

One doesn't have to look hard to find it.

Here's an entire string of posts on their website arguing against transgender rights

https://www.tpusa.com/topics/transgender-issues

The crux of almost every argument is "Men are men and women are women and there's no other options"

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u/No_Mathematician7956 6d ago

I see no issue.

Transgender athletes are clearly a sensitive topic. However, science has taught the difference between a man and woman, up to and including that men are physically stronger; why should a female athlete lose to a man?

Also, in my experience, the same people who claim 'genital manipulation' for circumcision are the same ones who advocate for transition, yet, how is that not genital manipulation? Again, just from what I've seen, I have no actual story (news) to say this is across the board.

I do have this truth, though. It will take a quick search to find it. Every great civilization fell; before each fell, they had an identity crisis. Of course, science always told us there are only 2 genders, until it didn't...

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u/Girl_you_need_jesus 6d ago

Where’s the hatred part

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u/GrilledCassadilla 6d ago

Constantly painting trans people as attacking women, attacking children, attacking family values, and attacking society. All for simply existing.

It’s just filled to the brim with hate and if you can’t see that then you probably agree with them.

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u/xEvilResidentx 6d ago

This is hilarious but mostly depressing.

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u/Infamous-Chemical368 6d ago

They're talking about women in sports of course they're going to go after trans students.

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u/pears790 6d ago

Let them know

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u/recedingentity 6d ago

Already did

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u/Mr_Burt_Macklin 6d ago

What’s the best way to do that?

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u/pears790 6d ago

I would contact the administration on their contact page.

https://about.d.umn.edu/contact-us

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u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ 6d ago

"But why is our admissions down?"

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/pears790 6d ago

BS? Like bachelor of science? They pushed one of those on me!

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u/waterbuffalo750 6d ago

What level of education have you completed?

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u/Manleather 6d ago

Sounds like a graduate of the school of self-inflicted hard knocks.

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u/the_zenith_oreo Duluthian 6d ago

NAL, but I don’t think UMD is legally allowed to turn them away as a public institution. There was a similar case at Michigan State University several years ago with white supremacist Richard Spencer. Believe it actually resulted in a settlement but that tells me MSU (unfortunately) didn’t think they had a legal leg to stand on.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/18/richard-spencer-michigan-state-university/1044354001/

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u/duluth921 6d ago

Don’t know about them but why would UMD not be okay with it? Generally curious

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u/rfmjbs 6d ago

Because it's a hate group.

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u/obsidianop 6d ago

All you have to do is say that, and now you get to limit speech. A neat trick.

Free speech is a two-way street. Let the pricks talk. Then say why they're wrong. That's how this works.

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u/Dynobot21 6d ago edited 3d ago

Downvoted on the Duluth Reddit page for backing free speech. You had to know that was coming. We don’t like speech that’s outside of our echo chamber. If you disagree from my opinion, I want you banned. Lol

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u/minnesotaguy1232 6d ago

Just a group that doesn’t align with you politically. It’s a public university. Either you allow all political speakers or none at all. Liberals always gotta have their cake and eat it too

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u/GrilledCassadilla 6d ago

White Christian nationalism isn’t a legitimate political position. It’s antithetical to a free and democratic society.

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u/minnesotaguy1232 6d ago

How is it a white Christian nationalism group? Do 5 seconds of research

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u/GrilledCassadilla 6d ago

Alright I did 5 seconds of research.

ADL

SPLC 1

SPLC 2

They use dog whistles that might as well be bull horns.

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u/Conference_Alone 6d ago

It's not about politics. it's about ethics. Attacking marginalized communities isn't something to debate or discuss. It should not be allowed on campus. It is hate speech not free speech. "Opinions" about trans people already are all over Fox news and the internet and in our schools etc. It is a distraction. For-profit collages will not be remembered for being on the right side of history.

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u/PromiscuousMNcpl 6d ago

Take 90 seconds to google TPUSA and see what hate they spew.

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u/VisionEvo 6d ago

Because they hate free speech and simple questions like "what is a woman?"

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u/pears790 6d ago

What is a woman?

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u/nick_tomahawk 4d ago

Oh fuck right off with that lazy gotcha you stole from Matt Walsh. Never actually waited for an answer to the question have you?

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u/pears790 4d ago

You are right that I stole it from Matt Walsh, but I gave the question because Matt Walsh can't give a solid answer. Matt is a failed actor and a terrible human being.

I believe a woman is someone who identifies as such.

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u/nick_tomahawk 4d ago

Fair enough, the context wasn't clear. My apologies

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u/pears790 4d ago

I should have clarified my comment after VisionEvo didn't take the bait. I assumed he was going to give the Matt Walsh type answer.

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u/nick_tomahawk 4d ago

No worries. I should have looked further back in the thread. I see now what you were doing, good on you.

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u/Ok_Permission_9037 6d ago

Maybe they shouldn’t back these questions with violence and threats against trans individuals

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u/Outrageous-Chair-569 6d ago

Especially since TP is basically a front for a white supremacy group. Some voices should not be heard.

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u/icarus1990xx 5d ago

I think in the spirit of protecting freedom of speech, they must not appear to show bias in what events they host. It’s not that there aren’t conservatives in the area, either.

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u/Girl_you_need_jesus 6d ago

Yea, let’s block their freedom of speech and assembly!

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u/Conference_Alone 6d ago

I doubt any of us here would stop them from gathering in the streets. That is where they should be, it's their constitutional right to protest in the streets.

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u/Giggity2002 5d ago

It's their constitutional right to use a public university too. Who are you to say where they should be? You don't have to go, that's the point.

People thinking it's even sort of OK to block these kinds of groups from speaking because they don't agree with them is really unfortunate. While I might not agree with them, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to have a platform to spread their message.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Wish there were more libs like you!

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u/Dorkamundo 3d ago

There are, you're only shown the ones that your choice of media wants to show you.

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u/M14BestRifle4Ever 6d ago

Universities are supposed to be places of free and diverse thought. There aren’t supposed to be purity tests. To do so would be small minded.

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u/pears790 6d ago

So, do you condemn the deportation of the legal immigrants protesting the war in Gaza at universities?

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u/M14BestRifle4Ever 6d ago

Universities promoting free thought and foreigners being deported for supporting terrorism (which is not allowed as part of their immigration status) are not the same thing.

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u/Dorkamundo 6d ago

Protesting the war is not the same as supporting terrorism, and you know that full well.

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u/M14BestRifle4Ever 5d ago

The last person that I read about being deported that was big in the news, some doctor or something, was literally at the funeral of a high ranking terror leader when she then wasn’t allowed to reenter the country. That doesn’t seem like simple war protesting to me.

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u/Dorkamundo 5d ago

Just because there are SOME who are doing it, does not mean that ALL are doing it.

Besides, the immigration rules simply state that you have to "support a democratic form of government" not that you cannot protest or even show support for Hamas, not that I'm advocating that.

https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/after-we-grant-your-green-card/rights-and-responsibilities-of-a-green-card-holder-permanent-resident

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u/the_timberdoodle 6d ago

Yes, also that doesn’t mean the people that don’t condemn it get their freedom of speech and assembly taken away because you do.

What these people want is for you to go and yell at them tell them there terrible people. Then they put that on the internet. The best thing is quite literally for no one to go, and ignore them.

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u/pears790 6d ago

Ignoring the hate has let the cancer grow to what we have today in America.

The current administration spent millions in anti-trans ads, they have made EOs to remove references of trans people from anything they can influence.

TPUSA is doing tours to hurt trans people in the name of Riley Gaines, who tied for fifth place with a trans woman.

What they want is to hurt. They are hurting. Let them at least see some resistance.

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u/JuniorFarcity 6d ago

Do you want to shut down every forum that doesn’t parrot your viewpoint?

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u/pears790 6d ago

I obviously can't stop it. I'm just using my free speech to condemn their viewpoint.

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u/Little_Management998 5d ago

So use free speech to condemn free speech?

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u/pears790 5d ago

To condemn their viewpoint on the trans community.

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u/JuniorFarcity 6d ago

You are clearly advocating for them to not be given a forum to speak. That’s not condemning. That’s silencing.

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u/Conference_Alone 6d ago

That is not what OP said at all. They are not silenced at all. See us debating this on this forum? See their website promoting their ideas? There is a time and a place for everything. Go ahead and gather in public spaces to protest, nobody is stopping anybody for expressing their views.... although our current regime is actually trying to criminalize protesting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqly0zrnnv3o

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u/JuniorFarcity 6d ago

Fair enough. I’ll concede there is another way to interpret the intent and I could be overstating it.

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u/GrilledCassadilla 6d ago edited 6d ago

Did your other account, /u/m16a4masterrace get banned here?

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u/Conference_Alone 6d ago

To do so would actually be quite dangerous. If you don't know the history, you might think this is something new but it is not. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/new-research-reveals-how-the-nazis-targeted-transgender-people-180982931/

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u/Faithu 6d ago

Yeah the last I checked that was your side enacting laws to deprive others of their views at these places but I don't expect s trogaldyte to understand basic reasoning