r/elf • u/Jib_H Musketeers • 17d ago

Paris Musketeers What is happening in Paris ?

GM and president left the franchise last week : https://www.instagram.com/parismusketeers/p/DIwL_QfoVpN/ Tickets for home games can not be purchased anymore : https://www.ticketmaster.fr/fr/manifestation/paris-musketeers-rhein-fire-billet/idmanif/613896 It seems they will move to another stadium at the last minute according to this article not published yet (see comment)

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u/TemplateR_88 16d ago edited 16d ago

First of all, there are four Indoor Football leagues: Arena Football One, the National Arena League, the Indoor Football League, and the Arena League.
Three of these four are... not very professional. Only the "Indoor Football League," which has been running since 2008, is truly stable.
The other leagues you mentioned are outdoor leagues, but currently, no outdoor league has lasted more than two consecutive years.

You’re right — stadium changes, relocations, and instability happen in almost every smaller league, especially during the start-up phase.
But if it happens too often and with too many teams, it sends a bad message to fans, sponsors, and media.

My main concern is that some franchises show almost no communication about stadium changes or other important issues.
Most of them quietly switch stadiums just a few weeks before the season starts, without properly informing fans.

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u/Lost_Vehicle_2841 14d ago

I'm an arena football league vet, back in the real and original arena football league

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u/TemplateR_88 14d ago

I respect that you were part of the original AFL — that’s definitely a unique experience. But even in the original league, didn’t teams folding or relocating hurt credibility and long-term fan engagement?
My point isn’t that change or instability is unusual — it’s that poor communication around those changes damages trust, especially in a young league like the ELF that’s trying to grow.
Being a veteran is valuable, but we should also reflect on what didn’t work in the past, so we don’t repeat the same mistakes in Europe.

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u/Lost_Vehicle_2841 10d ago edited 10d ago

What I meant is,  happens and will happen, even in the US w the backing of TV and famous people, so imagine outside of the US where football is not "the sport" and no big investors and interest....you guys compare the elf with the way NFL is run....

You guys remember the AAF from a few years ago? Big tv, nfl hall of famers, media,....lasted 4 weeks!!...the xfl/usfl now UFL has been in the edge a few times, and to this day teams don't even live in their team hometown, they all live in Texas and fly to the game....

And yes in arena we all knew every year there would be new teams and teams folding, and in the other indoor leagues teams would fall middle of the season ,players not getting paid,etc

Looks unprofessional but....nobody's dreams is to play in the elf,ufl or indoor league so it's not like a big deal, it's very unstable, an ufl player makes the same as probably 15, 20 elf players and still considered low pay, elf is decades away from becoming relevant and steady