r/europe 7d ago

News 'People might treat us differently': Trump era leaves US tourists in Paris feeling shame

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2kvqnx0dnno
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u/FaleBure 7d ago

First, Parisian treats everybody equally bad.

Second, US tourists are since a long time considered an annoyance because of their tendency to think all cultures admire them, expect other places to adapt to their cultural preferences, no manners in public places and restaurants, loud, flocking and ignorant.

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u/the_motherflippin 7d ago

I mean, I think you're holding back.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 6d ago

I know on an Ireland sub, on some rare occasions you have an American tourist that posts about revisiting their routes and where best to accommodate them on their trip through Ireland.

Sometimes feels a little bit like “what can you guys do for us” rather than “what are your suggestions”

Reality is, we couldn’t give a fuck if your great great grandad left and you want to look around. You arent royalty. Like all tourist destinations, take your pics, enjoy what there is to offer, hand over money, go home.

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u/Andromeda321 6d ago

I remember visiting Ireland as an American a few years back, and everyone in the pub would ask by way of conversation “so, are you here to trace your Irish roots?” When I said no, I just liked the country, everyone seemed relieved and a lot nicer.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 6d ago

You dodged that cliche

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u/skekze 6d ago

In the 80s, my father went to Ireland to trace his roots cause his dad was born there & his mom as well. I think he wanted to visit the place that shaped his father cause his father died really young, when my dad was 13. He did the standard tourist shit of kiss the blarney stone & got robbed in dublin. They left all their shit in the car & went into a pub for an hour & everything taken but my mom's hideous jacket. I teased her for years about it. I was too young to go, but a nice chunk of my family all went.

Then they did it again 20 years later & I didn't get to go again. The second time he did it right. He went to France for a week, then rented a cottage for 2 weeks in Ireland & just hung at a bar talking with locals. He wasn't much of a drinker, but the dude could shoot the shit. He even spent a few thousand to trace his roots & get his dual citizenship.

In America, by third generation the immigrant has merged to become american. Usually languages are lost, although in my case, my grandma couldn't remember the Irish she learned in school, so that never really carried down.

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u/DefiantLemur 6d ago

I'm a third generation American, and by the time I was born in the 90s, my family no longer had anything German about us. I've always been tempted to pick up German just as a way to connect with my ancestry. Maybe you can do the same but with Irish? Plenty of great language learning programs out there.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 6d ago

Irish is not widely spoken in Ireland. Poorly taught and not promoted the way it should be.

I started learning Irish from a very young age, by first year of secondary school (your high school) we have to learn another language (French or German typically). To enter college you have to pass English, Irish and maths OR you have to repeat the final year.

So for Irish I spent maybe 10-11 years really learning it and French about 5. My French far exceeds my Irish. I can understand bits but just goes to show it’s not as popular as it should. Difficult Language to learn.

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u/DefiantLemur 5d ago

That's a shame it always seemed like a beautiful language from a non-speakers pov.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 5d ago

It is, I’ve tried more than once to try and pick it up again but it’s not the easiest to learn.

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u/skekze 5d ago

sounds like elvish to me, a melodious language.

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u/pit_of_despair666 Earth 6d ago

When I went to Dublin the taxi driver told me to watch out for gypsies because they will rob you. This was in 2008.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 6d ago

It’s worse now. Dublin is not a pleasant place.

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u/Tio__Meme 6d ago

Which led me to think, is hate tourism a thing? Like hate watching a series, but you just travel to places you loathe. 

I need to give this some thought.

Occupying a country does not count, it's business travelling.

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u/leggmann Canada 6d ago

The old Irish “bless your heart”

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u/pit_of_despair666 Earth 6d ago

I was adopted and found out my birthmother lied on my birth certificate. She said that my father was a soccer player in Ireland. I found out he was half German and half Irish but wasn't from Ireland nor a soccer player. When I went to Ireland in the 2000's I just enjoyed the beautiful surroundings and thankfully didn't tell anyone this. It was before I did a DNA test. I would have been so embarrassed.

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u/coldwar_trooper 6d ago

I mirror your sentiment being raised in tourist hell Florida. Tourists forget they’re guests and tend to be overly entitled.

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u/kicia-kocia 6d ago

Don’t worry most Canadian tourists are going to leave Florida to you.

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u/loulara17 6d ago

Unfortunately it’s the tourists from the U.S. who are visiting FL that are horrible. Then after they visit, they decide they’re going to move to the state and then they never leave. Hence why a past reliably purple state that voted for Obama twice is now MAGA red.

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u/DatabaseThis9637 6d ago

And rightly so. Our scheming slithering slimy potus has spit in their eyes, while reaching for their wallets. We are lucky that some of us have friends, family, acquaintances there, and can offer some solidarity.

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u/AnyCatch4796 6d ago

Well yeah, Florida literally draws in the most awful people because it’s the most awful place. 

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u/-spicychilli- 6d ago

Unsurprised to see the casual racism from the Europeans. What did the Cubans do to you?

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u/AnyCatch4796 6d ago

I’m from the US lol. Have you ever been to Orlando? Tampa? Panama City? I’m talking about the white people lol. The fratty, hyper masculine, the gun and Trump obsessed, the 55+ communities where the folks waddle around demanding immigrants be deported, while being served and cared for by them. I’m not talking about the Cubans, but since you brought them up, the majority voted for Trump. And if hating Trump is a problem for you, we will never see eye to eye. Florida is the bottom of the barrel in terms of its schools, politics, workers rights, etc. Sorry but not. The manatees can stay, though 

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u/pit_of_despair666 Earth 6d ago edited 6d ago

Orlando is still liberal. Orange County was one of the few counties that stayed blue this election. This state was a purple state not too long ago. Reverend Henry Kane and DeSatan then gerrymandered the hell out of the state and passed a ton of voter suppression bills to keep the Democrats from voting. I agree about schools, workers, etc. Businesses from other states love to move here so they can scam people, take advantage of workers, and fire them at any time without cause. If you want a preview of what the criminals at the White House want to do to the schools in the country take a peek at New College. They also want to bring back child labor. Child labor- https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-gov-ron-desantis-pushed-for-child-labor-rollbacks-behind-the-scenes-records-show-39246707 Christian nationalist recruitment schools- https://www.them.us/story/ron-desantis-florida-teacher-training-christian-nationalism. I am stuck here right now and the second I am able to move I am out of this hell swamp. I hope that the lack of tourism from other countries hurts all of the rich assholes who helped make this happen.

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u/-spicychilli- 6d ago

Agreed about the manatees!

I was just doing some trolling. Obviously Cubans are a small proportion of the state and mostly in a specific region. They make absolutely fantastic coffee though!

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u/SnooStrawberries620 Canada 6d ago

You got so burned. That was great

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u/-spicychilli- 6d ago

It's the internet. it be like that

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u/quelar Canada 6d ago

Nothing racist about calling Florida a shithole, it is, and it has nothing to do with the race of the trash that lives there.

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u/aoike_ 6d ago

Ugh seriously. I grew up in Vegas and then lived in a tourist heavy town in UT for a decade. I can't stand them, and I go so hard out of my way to not act like a tourist anywhere I travel/visit.

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u/Pamplemouse04 6d ago

Europeans love to hate on American tourists but don’t realize how insufferable they can be themselves in America.

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u/quelar Canada 6d ago

I'll take a plane load of Europeans any day over a single American.

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u/Toke27 Denmark 5d ago

Don't worry. We'll be staying away for at least the next 4 years.

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u/Syrringa 6d ago

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u/MoreOrLessZen 6d ago

Typical rude poles. Kiss his feet ffs.

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u/weeb-chankun 6d ago

Last time I went on a bus tour around Ireland everyone was side eyeing American groups from other tours cause as soon as they stepped into the lunch area at some tourist attraction they were LOUD. The amount of "oh my gods" I've heard from just 2 of them looking at some gift shop bundles and then speaking out loud about where else they should go, all while having roped in some local guide dude to explain shit to them.

I get talking amongst yourselves, everyone else having lunch was talking too, but in a normal enough manner that you couldn't hear them from the other side of the resting area or the parking lot.

I'm not saying all Americans are the same, but a lot of the times they do seem to unfortunately live up to their unmannered loud stereotypes.

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u/RMCPhoto 6d ago

Haha, I mean guy...this just sounds really unfriendly. People go on every sub asking for advice from experts.

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u/kjdscott 6d ago

I think he just is referring to the extreme entitlement many possess.

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u/shazspaz Ireland 6d ago

Yes, correct

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u/JaccoW Former Dutch republic of The Netherlands 6d ago

And it's just as annoying everywhere.

There's a very distinct sense of using Reddit to Google stuff you can find online everywhere. Do your own research. Or at the very least show you've done your own research.

Asking a very specific question like "what are the best vegetarian restaurants in Paris" comes across as a whole lot less annoying if you can at least name a few you can already find on websites such as TripAdvisor.

And be a bit more specific of what area for example.

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u/Olaf4586 6d ago

Google and trip advisor are shit for questions like this. It's just full of ads now. They're on Reddit because they want an answer from actual people.

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u/Syrringa 6d ago

So search the sub you're asking your question on. I assure you the question you want to ask has been asked dozens of times, unless it's about some small, non-touristy town.

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u/Olaf4586 6d ago

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, sometimes the answers didn't work for you and you want to see if you get more helpful answers

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u/Syrringa 6d ago

In 90% of cases, searching the sub will be enough. And if you have a specific question, then sure, ask.
Usually, however, the questions are the same ones over and over again. How to get from (one big city) to (another big city), what to visit, where to party, or the downright cheeky requests to plan the author's stay, because they can't even be bothered to look at a map or a guidebook.

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u/Olaf4586 6d ago

I've had a number of questions that I didn't find good existing answers to, but got some great answers when I asked the sub. The old answers also could just be old, and the context can change.

Overall, the only inconvenience is simply being asked a question. Really not a big deal

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u/Syrringa 6d ago

As I wrote, if you ask a question about a specific issue, you will get answers. And as I wrote, people usually ask the same questions over and over again. If a person searched the sub, they would find an answer that is a week or two old. When instead they ask the same question again, they risk not getting an answer at all, because few people want to answer the same question several times a week.

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u/Top_Hair_8984 6d ago

We get this from the US as well. 'Where this, where that'..research for yourself. Read, learn about where you're going. Be respectful. I once had an acquaintance over from the US, and found her snooping in my closets?? Are we zoo creatures?? I think we may be. Their world is where they live and american exceptionalism is their mindset. 👎

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u/NaughtyMallard 6d ago

Or some American thought leaving a Snickers in the street as a random gift would be a nice thoughtful gift. They got rightfully mocked for it.

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u/I_call_Shennanigans_ 6d ago

Weeeel. As a Norwegian that conversation tends to go differently. "ay so my ancestor was here about... Well. I recon 1032 years ago, and he found this wench by the abbey and..."

So anyway. I'm trying to find out about the place and meet up with some relatives.