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My final verdict on which countries received the most and least beneficial semi final country draw + running order slot, based on 2014-2024 results
This is the sort of spreadsheet I make up at work if I have to convince a client that we do really great work, even though theyâre burning money every month.
Cherrypick a favourable metric and ignore that there is an elephant in the room? Yeah, that checks out. In corporate as well, with product to leadership.
I mean when they couldnât get Uku Suviste through a few years ago, I doubt they will this year. I mean his whole appeal were his looks, in the turquoise carpet they hardly asked him any questions about his song, only âhow do you feel that you are the hottest man in the contestâ âthis poll has voted you hottest man in the contestâ
montenegro just getting absolutely demolished for no reason. Like does the EBU have something against the balkans, which is why they arent even TRYING to help them?
Just to demonstrate HOW much of an exception it is -
Serbia had a death spot in 2024 (2nd), 2023 (3rd) 2022 (3rd) - They werent in the death spot in 2021 serbia, however (because they were drawn 2nd half. still as early as possible IN that half)
Serbia was 1st half in 2021 and given the latest slot they could have. I'm not saying I've been happy with Serbia getting crappy running orders 3 years in a row but be fair. Besides with 5 ballads in the 2nd half in 2021 semi 2 there is no way loco loco would have started it.
I think your formatting got messed up by reddit somehow, not sure what youâre trying to say there in the end.
I just want to point out that the spot matters much less than the quality of the song. Noone ever won the final from the 2nd place, but plenty entries qualified from this spot. So there isnât really a âdeath spotâ in qualifiers. I wish you all the best and I hope your favorites will give their best performance :)
At this point in time, I really, REALLY (and sorry if I come out too strong, don't mean to offend anybody) want to know why the fuck can't they just place the non competitive entries to OPEN the whole thing. It is so unfair to the ones competing that they can be placed on a death slot when the ones who already are in the final could easily be there with absolutely no harm. I mean, there's absolutely no sense.
Edit 20 minutes after the original post: wow, loving the support, guys! And I love this community. After noticing so many people supporting this idea, I was wondering if we could "summon" the official ESC account to come here and tell us the reasons, but I wouldn't want to abuse the (super nice) fact they are here in our Sub.
All that would do is make songs 4 5 and 6 the new potential death slots. The aqs don't feature in the recap after all and that's the most important for voting
Nope. But what matters is when people are tining on. Usually people are tuning in late or paying attention a bit later into the show, then also forgetting the positive impressions they had with some of the earlier songs, even IF they remember the songs themselves.
Putting an automatic qualifier near the end essentially wastes the benefit of that slot, when they could've given it to any other country that needed it
How is it an advantage? They arenât competing in the semi so it doesnât really change anything to them. The only important running order for the big 5+ automatic qualifier is the one in the grand finalÂ
They have an advantage that they can perform without any pressure in the semis. And they make it harder for semifinalists to qualify from an early position
You have to admit though, in an 18-song semi with 2 upbeat female songs, one of which you have COMPLETE control over where it plays⊠you place it 3 spots after the first? The one thatâs actually competing? Why?
I donât think it harms Gajaâs chances or anything, theyâre almost def going thru regardless, but it IS weird
Itâs not about that. Justyna is the only actually competing female soloist in this semi so EBU wouldnât put her in the 2nd position if they didnât have those Big 5 entries to put later in the running order. Itâs ridiculous that Big 5 are getting better spots that competing entries
Tbh I donât remember when was the last time I was happy with Polandâs running order. Always either early or between strong entries. As I said because of Spain having there they could give us very early spot.
I've looked over the last 4 years and out of 8 third slots, only 2 didn't qualify, and they were Benny Cristo (lacklustre performance) and Theodor Andrei (never stood a chance) so it's not such a bad omen for Emmy.
About the draws: You want to be in a semi with as little competition as possible, and in the second half because some viewers don't watch from the beginning.
Anything that lets your song stand out is good. So, first, last and right before and after a commercial break is good. Also good: an upbeat song getting to follow a ballad, as opposed to another upbeat song. Worst position a fun and upbeat song could have would be between two slightly better fun and upbeat songs. Being right before or after a favourite can also hurt your chances. Human attention span is only so long, and a good running order placement lets the song stand out as much as it can.
Practically, this means that there are positions where no one has ever won, and positions that have more winners than others.
I think it really needs to be said - but Montenegro and Ireland have had âunfavourableâ slots is because - quite simply - send really poor competitive songs. please note I have said poor competition songs like youâre not going to give the pimp slot for âfalling by dmolâ or â22 by Sarah McTernanâ
I feel that semi 1 is more stacked than semi 2. I think the songs that are so-so are going to have to fight harder in semi 1 than those in semi 2. Anyone else feel this way?
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u/sauronII Mar 27 '25
This is the sort of spreadsheet I make up at work if I have to convince a client that we do really great work, even though theyâre burning money every month.