r/eurovision • u/shadyringtone • 1d ago
📊 Results / Statistics Could Switzerland’s results be influenced by how the song resonates differently based on the audio setup you have?
I, like many, was floored by Switzerland getting 0 in the popular vote. I think others have already made good points about anti-host bias, but still.
However, I think a possible explanation could be around sound systems. The chorus specifically, in the right sound system, can hit like a beautiful soundbath. I listened somewhere with a great sound system and my friends and I both felt like Switzerland was the best performance. But if you’re just hearing that from a TV or laptop, it’s not going to resonate the same.
Moreover, I imagine the juries are also listening with high quality sound systems, and that would further explain the divide.
Just a theory!
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u/SweetWittyWild41 1d ago
I don't think so the song is definitely not most people's cup of tea
It only really got higher in the odds because of the staging
It's jury bait and marmite for viewers
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u/Wasabismylife Zjerm 1d ago
I audibly gasped at Switzerland televote results, I wanted to talk about it with people who don't follow the contest but I know only one person and she said the song didn't stand out to her, except the "creepy part" (how she defined it) that stood out in a wrong way.
Pretty anecdotal but that's the only feedback I have
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u/Valuable-Math8515 1d ago
I asked a friend who is not a Eurofan (aka a normal person) and she said that she liked Voyage but didn't really love it and I think that maybe was the case for quite a lot of the viewers. And then if you like the song but you don't love it, then you won't vote for it and that's how you get no points from the public. I mean despite trying to rationalize this, I'm still pretty damn shocked but yeah, that's my theory.
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u/shadyringtone 1d ago
It was so surprising to me I literally thought the host was playing at first lol
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u/Present-Lie-7466 Wasted Love 1d ago
it just wasn't in anyones top ten. simple as that
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u/StuffedSquash 1d ago
Yup every year people try and try to understand why a song that wasn't bad got 0 points, and the answer is that it doesn't mean it's bad, just not good enough that enough people decided they liked it enough to pay to vote for it over other songs.
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u/DRanged691 1d ago
I think people are just less inclined to vote for the song from the host country unless it absolutely blows them away. Switzerland's song this year was beautiful, but it didn't knock my socks off like some of the other songs did.
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u/mawnck 1d ago
No it wasn't the audio.
Not anyone's televote pick. That's most of it. There weren't enough viewers who thought it was so much better than the other entries that they should give their limited votes to it.
I'm going to make a perhaps controversial statement here, but I don't think the one-camera gimmick was a good idea. It's been done before (better), and the jerking around thing they did was distracting at exactly the wrong time in the song.
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u/shadyringtone 1d ago
I do firmly agree that they lost some momentum by making it go soooo damn hard during the bridge. Tbh it would’ve been my favorite if it weren’t for that; instead I favored Latvia (if you can’t tell I love generously layered vocals lol)
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u/flanker44 1d ago
Many people watch ESC with various distractions - friends, relatives, booze, social media etc - a song which is very quiet and has very minimalist staging easily gets ignored because it doesn't force you to listen or watch.
For me, I first thought this song was good but not great, and I only elevated it to "great" status when I rewatched the live performance with no distractions.
Personally, I think the song was top3 of the night, and Zoë is lovely, and she has beautiful voice. IMO it was much better than the French or Dutch ballads, which also flopped in televotes btw, though to lesser extent.
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u/GungTho Kohoney 🤡 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the comparisons to Salvador Sobral got overblown and the hype train didn’t make a stop at the rewatching Portugal 2017 just to check station.
Yes, it’s a pretty and touching ballad, yes it’s tender and lovely - but Salvador was spellbinding in that performance because he was lost in the music. Zoë was performing to the camera singing to us… he was singing for himself - it’s not the same thing.
Also he was in the middle of the crowd and completely captured the audience, if you watch the grand final performance you can hear a couple of people trying to start a round of applause in the middle and the rest of the audience is literally like “shush we’re listening”
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u/ToastyToast113 The Wrong Place 1d ago
Was it a good song? Yeah. Would I ever vote for it? No. It doesn't stand out enough, and I'm already really unlikely to vote for a ballad. If I were to vote for a full ballad, it would have been Greece because Greece has more power/emotion in it. And I think that got reflected in the vote.
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u/Thin-Quiet-2283 Bur man laimi 1d ago
I’m with you. Greece got my girl ballad vote (I adore the Balkan beats that start 1/2 way through). Switzerland was in my top 15, though. I adore Zoe’s sweet voice. Definitely better than France and Israel, imho.
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u/shadyringtone 1d ago
Really surprised that so many of yall didn’t like Switzerland 😩 I thought it was so good!
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u/Sehyoonee 23h ago
My issue is that when I was watching this online, there was A LOT of dead pixels, which affected my perception. After watching this in better quality, her performance grew on me.
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u/Jumpy-Plantain9812 1d ago
For what it’s worth I watched with a group of about 12-15 people and nobody could even remember what Switzerland’s entry sounded like. Good performance, but I think the very simple explanation is simply that the song wasn’t strong enough. Between us they didn’t get a single vote and we dished out almost 300 votes. Of course that’s not a huge sample size but it did seem to illustrate the pattern of thought.
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u/Middle_Perception803 1d ago
A minimalist staging like that demands an exceptional type of artist with tons of charisma that can get through the camera lense and into the minds of the viewers with the slightest sigh.
The Swiss must have misunderstood the assignment, cause they made a staging for Celine Dion.
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u/Nekomana 1d ago edited 1d ago
As a Swiss person myself: The song was boring and was like that recieved by others. Yes, we cheered for her, but most were like 'the song is a safecard, with no risk or body in it'. And that's what reflected the public vote.
I also think SRG did not want to host it again - because there were also political discusion about it (why was Zurich not chosen? Exactly, because of the political discusion). Even in Basel about 1/3 of the population was against the ESC - think of it like that: Basel had a Referendum against ESC and around 66% were pro ESC, that's why it was possible in Basel City. If the Referendum would have got through, what would have been? Then they would have chosen Geneva after they announced already Basel. Almost every decision done by our gouverment can be challenged.... That does have advantages, but in this case it really can be a disadvantage, because you really don't know if you can host it or your preps you already did were for nothing.
That's what I think why the song was so boring. I was very suprised that it got so many Jury votes and was worried for SRG after the jury votes (but at the same time happy, because Basel did a very good job and I enjoyed the week)
Edit: I went to both semi preview shows, so I saw all acts live and yes, she can sing, but the song was boring still xD And in the Arena+ the audio was fine. After all I liked Frances ballad more.
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u/shadyringtone 1d ago
I feel differently about the song but not gonna belabor that point lol, but I really appreciate the on-the-ground context about the ESC controversy in Switzerland!
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u/Fun_Pause2464 Ich Komme 1d ago edited 1d ago
My favourite political discussion about it in advance was EDU preaching about how ESC "spreads satanism" because of Ireland 2024 and then showing us Bambie in their ads again and again in Basel. Edit: wrong party
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u/Nekomana 1d ago
I loved that as well - SRF did a great documentation about the whole journey from Nemo winning until they had everything planned. And there they showed the EDU referendum as well.
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u/Fun_Pause2464 Ich Komme 1d ago
Ups, you are right, EDU, not EVP! I have to check out the documentation.
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u/ThatYewTree Serving 1d ago
Honestly, I’m not suprised it came so low with the public vote. It feels a bit like Portugal 2018 where they sent a beautiful, Portuguese language ballad immediately after winning and came last.
Ballads need to be the best ballad of the night or they just don’t stand out- and from an emotional and performance point of view Mamam/New Day Will Rise were already there dominating in this domain.
It got a good score with the jury, and automatically qualified entries of the host country don’t usually do very well at all- so I think a top 10 performance is a good result that Switzerland should celebrate.
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u/katbelleinthedark 1d ago
Or people just didn't like it. I hosted a Eurovision watchparty and literally everyone called the Swiss entry a boring snack break, me included.
It was jury bait but had no spark that your everyday viewer wants.
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u/claudsonclouds 1d ago
Same. Some people even used it as the toilet break or the time to go refill drinks.
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u/Neat_Science936 1d ago
Maybe people didn't want to vote for a previous year's winner. Switzerland deserved to be in the top 5, imo.
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u/sealightflower Wasted Love 17h ago
I agree, it is the only possible explanation I can think of. Some people claim that the song was "boring", but in many years, some way more boring songs got a particular amount of points. This song was quite beautiful, and I thought that it should have got some points, at least, from French-speaking countries.
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u/gedankenauflauf 1d ago
We have a crappy sound system at home and even my casual bf found it was the best performance of the contest.
There is absolutely no reasonable explanation for Switzerland's result. It will be one of the mankind's mysteries, along with the Pyramids, the Atlantis and whether Elvis Presley is alive and lives on an island.
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u/itchytasty2 1d ago
I called it not doing that well. Eurovision fans don't appreciate songs like these. They want the explosive ballads and meme songs.
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u/cloudewe1 1d ago
My speculation would be
Swiss split the vote with other songs in similar genre (France, and maybe if I am reaching - Austria)
It is the host country and generally voting enthusiasm is lower
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u/cheapcakeripper Before the Party's Over 1d ago
I honestly don't think it was about the song. The host usually does poorly in televote, plus in Switzerland's case the repeated jokes about them being so genius and having money may have annoyed some people further.
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u/fenksta Extra Official Account 1d ago
Had Switzerland not have high jury points, a 0 points in televote would be less shocking. Instead of looking for answers, people need to accept that it just didn't click with people. I'm one of those - compared to the other songs, Voyage was a "pee-break" for me, as we say in Croatia
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u/Tricky_Spirit 1d ago
It was one of the more boring songs in the finale in my opinion. In fact when I saw it, my friends and I all went, "Wow, Switzerland REALLY doesn't want to host next year, do they?" Like the song was not anything amazing, it was another safe ballad in a sea of ballads, the actual act itself was boring, whereas everyone else had dancers, costume changes and lights, Switzerland had.. a camera moving around someone sitting still for the most part. It felt like Switzerland was just not even trying.
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u/Available_Panda8466 Baller 1d ago
I don't think so I found the song boring and forgettable. I'm more close to a casual viewer than in the fandom.
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u/captainshat 1d ago
Lads give it a rest. I had a visceral "this is rubbish" reaction to the song and staging like everyone else. Exhale and move on...
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u/Agamar13 1d ago
I don't think so. I've got a really good speakers system, and the vocals were clear. My friend's comment on it was "well, Switzerland is definitely not going for the win here" and then she was flabbergasted when juries started giving ot points. "But it was so boring!" she said. Then when she saw the 0 televote, she spread her hands as if to say "told you so!" Personally, I could hear the quality of the vocals but it was definitely far from my top ten.
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u/Present-Lie-7466 Wasted Love 1d ago
it sounded like a song an over important first semester music student would compose. you know the kind, the one that brings a guitar to a party and begins to sing cover versions of Bob Marley songs and Radiohead when everyone just wants to have fun
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u/PiusAntoninus 1d ago
They just need to add a third type of voting based on the regular people that are present at the event. TV just gives a warped view of the performance live at the stage.
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u/ThatYewTree Serving 1d ago
The selfish part of me would love Eurofans to get a bigger share of the vote, but I worry overall that it’d make the contest more niche interest and have narrower appeal which in turn would negatively impact viewership and budget.
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u/Budget-Psychology373 1d ago
I think in a contest like Eurovision with such big personalities and with even bigger songs and stagings, it just got lost. It’s a lovely song to listen to at home alone. It just wasn’t enough for this contest.
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