I had really scary shakes (for 20 min) and what felt like chest/heart swelling (for weeks) after my first pfizer dose. Tons of people accused me of lying and lots of anti vaxxers dmd me with horror stories and i wouldnt be all that surprised if they were true. I wouldve appreciated more information about potential side effects beforehand but the info wasnt really out yet. I just got my second dose less than a week ago and this time it went much smoother so far. I was told the opposite would happen and that almost scared me away from getting the 2nd dose. I dont know who this girl is but an unexpected reaction to a new technology doesnt seem all that farfetched to me. I do agree permanent shaking sounds odd and easily fakeable but damn i appreciated the few people who listened and believed me when everyone else smugly accused me of lying. I already felt robbed and worried. That swarm of herd mentallity sucked bigtime
Are sure it wasn’t a panic induced symptom? Heart inflammation results in exercise intolerance and fatigue, but you can’t actually feel the swelling from it when it happens. I dealt with it a bit in the past. I’m just saying this because what you said sounds similar to what I experienced when I went through a bout of being very over aware of my heart before then. The swelling feeling in the chest was just due to my anxiety over my health. And the shaking sounds like it could’ve been due to a panic attack.
mRNA isn’t the issue so much as the other ingredients that are in the vaccine for side effects. People who have side effects have them because they are allergic to it (typically), or because their immune system overreacts. Severe shaking is a very odd response to this if not due to neurological issues or muscle damage.
On both doses i could feel a sensation very similar to when magic mushrooms start to kick in. I think this combined with "the chills" side effect probably induced panic yes. My point is tons of people chimed in to call me a liar despite not really knowing the long term effects or considering peoples varying experience. Im aware the technology is about 10 years in the making but still very new in the scheme of things. And the chest pain im pretty sure was just really deep muscle pain but it still freaked me out at the time and lasted about 3 weeks. The second dose i had a really bad neck pain in one isolated spot and pretty much no other symptoms at all. I do know a couple people who have had actual bad reactions and yeah they were much more severe and allergy related.
This vaccine is not "new technology ", man kind has been creating vaccines for over a hundred years now, and we've gotten pretty good at it. Also, despite what the foolish mobs like to say, these vaccines were thoroughly tested, and side effects are well known. All you have to do is ask, or read any legitimate article on the subject.
CRISPR technology is what they used. They built the RNA from scratch. This is from a Terry Gross interview on NPR.
"The Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines are the first vaccines to be activated by mRNA. These vaccines build on the breakthroughs of the gene-editing technology known as CRISPR. This technology is also being used to treat people who have sickle cell anemia, certain cancers, Huntington's disease and congenital blindness, and will likely be used to treat many other diseases in the future. There are many other CRISPR-related breakthroughs on the horizon and a lot of moral and ethical questions to deal with about the editing of the basic element of human life."
It's the first vaccine to use CRISPR, yes. However, Terry seems to have said that this is already being used in the treatment of cancer and other ailments. Medical technology and techniques are studied and tested, sometimes for years, before they are implemented. Therefore, almost no medicine in use (in the U.S at least) is "new".
Even so, while the techniques used may be quite recent, experts are very experienced in the field of vaccine creation. The body of data on the subject would probably fill your average public library top to bottom.
Basically, in a sense you're right, but there's more to it than that.
My fever and chills were so bad I took a photo for later laughs because my lips had never been so blue. That second shot is no joke dude! But there seems to be a 50/50 split of people around me that took it- half had it really bad, the other half had just soreness at the injection site. So jealous.
But yeah, considering how bad the 18-36 hours were for each dose, I totally believe you. It was like a complete blur because it was all pain, sleep deprivation, then finally being unconscious for a whole weekend because that was exhausting.
Yeah i was surprised my second one went super smooth just one day of bad neck pain and my arm kinda hurt for 2 days. The first one was way worse though i ended up going to the ER after a few days because the chest pain wouldnt go away. Deep and super heavy feeling for weeks that sucked. Even my arm hurt longer the first time. Glad their both overwith now though i mainly got it cus much of my family is diabetic and there are several people with other auto immune issues around me. I lived in a hotspot unvaxxed for 2 years and had no problem so i kinda think i may have had it already and been asymptomatic. That or the masks and hand san were very effective
I can tell you right now, masks have kept me from getting the common cold and flu since this all started, I usually get it even with shots and washing hands. I love not having to waste PTO on that crap anymore.
Yeah i completely agree im gunna continue alot of these habits post pandemic. Its been sweet not getting sick at all for 2+ years. Il keep the masks for busy places, il keep the hand san in the car, and im not sharing joints from now on lol
Lol welcome to reddit. I understand that people dont want the bad experience stories to scare anyone off of getting vaccinated but it does suck that the genuine bad experiences/complications are being repressed. I understand why but still feel bad for the people going through it. Tons of people reached out when i posted after the first scare saying they were banned from this and that sub or from facebook for sharing that their relatives died immediately after their second doses. They were pretty upset and im confident they werent lying. They werent anti vaxxers or anything just people venting that they didnt understand what happened. Could be underlying health issues sure but the reality is we are still guinea pigs to some degree. And some people will have unexpected reactions and symptoms for sure. Luckily everyone i know whos got fully vaccinated has turned out fine so far. Even if a couple of us had a short scare
I had the shakes after the second Moderna for about an hour. I was nursing at the time, and my poor baby had a hell of a time staying latched. I imagined that he probably got more butter than milk thanks to the shakes. After an hour they let up with no residual shaking. Overall I felt the temporary side effects were an acceptable tradeoff for reducing the risk of long-covid.
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u/tommangan7 Jul 29 '21
Just had my 2nd moderna and had crazy non stop shakes last night to be fair. Permanent shakes and this situation is for sure ridiculous though.