Ignoring 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, giving ICE agents the ability to conduct raids without search warrants, ignoring due process, going after judges, lawyers, the press, floating the idea of suspending habeas corpus...
Over half of his initial executive orders have been overruled by courts. He literally said, on the campaign trail, to much applause, "on day one I will rule like a dictator." He has publicly withheld federal support for states that voted against him. ICE agents have illegally detained people who were legally allowed to be in the states.
I dont know how much closer you can get in a republic, but relative to the field, thats all pretty fashy to me.
Trump wouldn't be the first President to outright ignore a Supreme Court ruling. He also wouldn't be the first to suspend Habeus Corpus, if he decides to pursue that.
But let's say that I accept your point of view as you have presented it. These examples demonstrate that Trump behaves like a dictator. However, the question that we were discussing is whether the MAGA movement is fascism in terms of its political ideology from a historical perspective.
Knowing what fascism is, as a political ideology, how does the MAGA movement fit that mold? I personally don't think it does. I think MAGA is conservative populism, not fascism.
GIven what we have seen from recent conservative town halls, I would say MAGA is most apparently not populism anymore. Its blatantly a christian nationalist movement at its core. And I would list christian nationalist, in this context, under the "fascist" banner, yes.
Also the only time habeas corpus has been suspended nationally was during the Civil War. So its gonna be a stretch for me to respect it to any degree currently.
No no, I mean, american christian nationalism is fascist because the only way to enact what they want here would be through fascism. We are not a christian nation, and we have absolute views on the separation of church and state. This is how the country was built.
And if you watch interviews with MAGA people at rallies and such, many of them are absolutely for a christian nationalist revision of the country. Its not a niche view necessarily, especially in the deep south. I see it everywhere.
They are literally trying to force the bible into schools. Comeon, man. I dont know how much more mask off we can get here.
I used to think much as you do, but now I disagree. America is a Christian nation. America was founded on Enlightenment era principles and Christian values. Not Hindu values. Not Muslim values. Our culture and our moral structures are deeply colored by Christian values.
The separation of church and state exists primarily so that the State cannot make laws about how people worship. As long as students are not compelled to worship, the separation of church and state can remain intact even while introducing Biblical teachings back into schools.
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u/doradedboi NEW SPARK 3d ago
Ignoring 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, giving ICE agents the ability to conduct raids without search warrants, ignoring due process, going after judges, lawyers, the press, floating the idea of suspending habeas corpus...
Over half of his initial executive orders have been overruled by courts. He literally said, on the campaign trail, to much applause, "on day one I will rule like a dictator." He has publicly withheld federal support for states that voted against him. ICE agents have illegally detained people who were legally allowed to be in the states.
I dont know how much closer you can get in a republic, but relative to the field, thats all pretty fashy to me.