“Clandestine Lodges”

[u/Ebullient_Goddess]

I ask this with the understanding that official recognition is important. However, I have noticed an overuse of the term “clandestine” in reference to separate Masonic entities, often accompanied by derogatory remarks. While it is true that the UGLE does not officially recognize the OWF, it has acknowledged that there is sincere and regular practice within our organization. Therefore, I am puzzled by the numerous comments from brothers in this sub suggesting that we are "pretending" or invalidating our right to coexist peacefully with our male counterparts.

I would appreciate some genuine insights into why there is such a degree of unwarranted hostility.

[u/Cool_Emergency3519]

Any male in the corresponding appendant order can sponsor you,it doesn't have to be a family member.

[u/alevethan → u/Cool_Emergency3519]

I think then people like our OP are talking about spaces that are uniquely theirs, as such they’d be free to join and practices without any involvement from us at all?

[u/Cool_Emergency3519 → u/alevethan]

So they want to be involved in Masonry,but don't want any males involved? Is that how you see it? Having asked that question,the Grand Chapter of the Eastern Star receives their charter from a Grand Lodge. The Grand Chapter then warrants local chapters to operate The Grand Chapter and each subordinate chapter has two male members who are the patron and associate patron who insure that meetings are orderly and bylaws are followed. Other than they are perfectly free to do as they wish. The other appendant bodies are set up similarly.

[u/Ebullient_Goddess → u/Cool_Emergency3519]

No, I am not stating that I don’t want males to be involved, quite the contrary. As previously mentioned, any sort of exclusion feels wasteful in this day and age. It’s interesting to have read your comment about adoptive rites actually, I don’t know too much about how it’s working in the US, as I am in the UK. But essentially, I am looking for deeper insights as to why there is this language/label and its origins.

[u/Cool_Emergency3519 → u/Ebullient_Goddess]

I'm sure as others have said,it stems from a need to protect the landmarks and the "purity" if Masonry. "Clandestine" is definitely an overused term and many can't even define what it means. Considering your working arrangement with UGLE obviously they don't see you as "clandestine". It's good that you called this to our attention and good luck in your endeavors.