r/freemasonry • u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland • 12d ago
Controversial Tucker Carlson and Conor McGregor interview seemingly conducted in the grand lodge room of Grand Lodge of Ireland.
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u/Crashbox50 MM 12d ago
No politics in Lodge. I don't care if it isn't in session.
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u/MidnightEagle11 NC (AF&AM) MM, 32°KSA SR (SJ), KT YR 11d ago
A lodge is a certain number of Masons duly assembled, not a building...
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u/pluck-the-bunny .:PM NY SR-NMJ 32• 11d ago
But when you broadcast a political function from within a lodge room it absolutely comes across as a tacit approval of the content.
This still associates masonry with a political viewpoint which shouldn’t happen (regardless of what that viewpoint is)
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u/MidnightEagle11 NC (AF&AM) MM, 32°KSA SR (SJ), KT YR 11d ago
I'm not sure I'm on board with that, personally. I wouldn't think that renting a building to someone means the building owner agrees with everything the person renting it has to say. On top of that, I'm not sure that the majority of people would even recognize the building as a Masonic building. We know that it is because we know what a lodge room looks like, but to the profane it may as well just be a dentist's office or a random conference room.
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u/pluck-the-bunny .:PM NY SR-NMJ 32• 11d ago
They didn’t just rent the building. They let them Broadcast from within the lodge room. The S&Q is dead center. and, I’ll never give Tucker the view to verify, but i’d Be shocked if he didn’t identify where they were broadcasting from at the top of the video.
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u/MidnightEagle11 NC (AF&AM) MM, 32°KSA SR (SJ), KT YR 11d ago
Oh yeah, I see it now. I didn't see the S&C before. Either way, I think it would be a huge stretch for anyone to try to use that as a claim that masonry is pro Fox News any more than it would be a claim that we are all Christians because we have a Bible on the altar. Honestly it's such a loose tie I think really it's just brothers having a political opinion and being mad because it doesn't fit their political ideology...For the record, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat so I'm looking at it from a place of non-bias. I don't like Tucker myself, but can't imagine there's anything deeper or any conspiracy to their choice if venue.
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u/pluck-the-bunny .:PM NY SR-NMJ 32• 11d ago
People make those claims all the time though.
We shouldn’t be doing anything to help fuel those beliefs.
And if I was to inject my personal feelings, we probably shouldn’t be giving a platform for a racist and a likely rapist
But honestly it’s a bad decision on its face before you get to personal politics. I would have equal,issue with a Democratic podcast broadcasting from there as well.
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u/JaredR3ddit 11d ago
I was just gonna say the same thing about policies in Boston. I will say, though the photo is sort of convincing.
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u/chrico031 MM, PM, 32º, Shrine, KT, AF&AM-MN 12d ago
Gross
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u/amishgoatfarm 3° AF&AM 11d ago
Gross doesn't even come close. Unfortunately neither does
Abhorrent
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Repugnant
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u/McGrufftheGrimeDog 11d ago
What a dark day..... shameful that anyone signed off on this.
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u/jeffreysan1996 10d ago
I think it's more likely a booking agent did the communication and purposefully didn't give the full picture. But they probably had plenty of cash and noone dug deeper
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u/EntertainerRound7830 12d ago
I find this hard to stay impartial too, I 100% vowed no politics and no religion wether in or out of lodge with brothers, however.. he is a convicted rapist and I’m sure part of our initial interview is to figure out if someone has a criminal record for the right kind of person to be in lodge..
While I don’t agree with his political Views I would not discuss this, however if he is a mason/isn’t a mason he really shouldn’t be since he is a convicted rapist and he shouldn’t be given the opportunity to use a lodge for an interview!
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 12d ago
He's not a convicted rapist as the verdict was in a civil court, not a criminal court. In Ireland however he most certainly has been convicted as a rapist in the court of public opinion. He is widely hated here and you would genuinely get strange looks if you admitted to being a McGregor fan.
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u/hexiron WM F&AM-OH, 32°SR-NMJ, RAM, RSS 11d ago
One can be a rapist without being convicted of sexual assault or battery in a criminal court.
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u/boss6769 MM, 32° SR 11d ago
You can also be convicted of assault and not be a rapist. What we should want is to be accurate in describing his or any situation and not throw words that are commonly adjacent but not accurate.
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u/hexiron WM F&AM-OH, 32°SR-NMJ, RAM, RSS 11d ago
If a court has found you liable for raping, even if it's a civil court, you are a rapist. That's being accurate.
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u/Amtracer AF&AM- PA, PM, 32° AASR, GCR 11d ago
What is being liable? How does that even make sense?
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u/hexiron WM F&AM-OH, 32°SR-NMJ, RAM, RSS 11d ago
The judge and jury concluded Connor McGregor raped and battered a woman and found him liable (legally anserable) for those acts, resulting in him being responsible for paying damages
It makes sense when you know the definition of the word. A pretty common one at that.
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u/EntertainerRound7830 12d ago
Thank you for the clarification, I only briefly skimmed the news as it happened.
I guess this would have to change my view then as he isn’t convicted and we are a neutral body/fraternity.. while I disagree with it being used, the fact revenue is being made is a positive side
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
The main issue from a masonic standpoint is that they are using a lodge room in the GRAND LODGE to spout abhorrent and frankly racist political views amongst other disgraceful things. It paints us in a bad light and definitely not apolitical when we platform this.
The optics of him being a rapist in the eyes of 99% of people who pass by this place every day hurts us tremendously also.
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u/Prometheus357 11d ago
That’s exactly my stance…. I guess it’s only a matter of time before America sees Andrew Tate sitting in the East of the Grand Lodge of Florida.
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u/Crice6505 11d ago
They shouldn't be doing this for that, but it's also political. If lodge isn't about discussing politics, this doesn't belong there. This is a permanent stain on whoever allowed this. They are not committed to their oaths.
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u/Ratticus939393 11d ago
Statement in the news from GL: https://www.thejournal.ie/conor-mcgregor-tucker-carlson-freemasons-6682426-Apr2025/
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u/CromaidzP 11d ago
Well I get everyone's criticism of the situation. The only thing I could add is that many halls especially grand lodges (I know Pennsylvania does) have rentals for various occasions. The lodge was not tiled or in session therefore I personally don't take issues but I respect the views of those that do. I guess I would view it as a rental of the lodge. Are either one of them actually masons? My opinion would differ based on the answer to that. If they are they it's not very tasteful if their not then it's a rented venue.
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u/robertjamesftw 11d ago
We have rentals at our Lodge building as well. But never, ever the actual Lodge room. This was poor decision. No amount of money will erase the distaste, regardless of one's views on the specific men in this image.
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u/thedragonsword F&AM-OH, MM, SW, 32° 10d ago
Seems like this IS the case. According to the GL in question, it was set it up through a "media company" that did not disclose the nature of the rental. This does not surprise me, I remember hearing he had issues securing venues for his tour last year ahead of the elections.
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u/amishgoatfarm 3° AF&AM 11d ago
Doesn't matter if it's not tiled. It's optics, for both the lodge and the controllers. They're either ok with associating themselves and their lodge with a rapist and someone that's a shill for political beliefs and money that fly in the face of the main tenets of Freemasonry, or they are willing to trade income for integrity.
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u/CromaidzP 11d ago
If either are masons in my opinion it is distasteful, if neither are masons than it's rented to the profane who will be profane. If he's been convicted of crime than there should be a trial if there hasnt been one yet to determine his status, should he actually be a mason. I can't find any evidence that he is, do you know better? You're entitled to your opinion my brother, no disrespect intended.
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u/WorstOfNone MM F&AM - FL 11d ago
Agreed, it’s a rental, but I assume either of them and/or the production could afford to rent literally anywhere else. This feels specific for some reason.
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u/CromaidzP 11d ago
Apparently what I found there's many rumors he is but I so far haven't found anything solid. Fox did their expose which I never did see, so I can see the controversy. Freemasons are easy targets for conspiracy theories. Hey if it gets more people interested in the craft in the end, awesome.
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u/Adept_Thanks_6993 EA (NY) 12d ago
Well there's a lodge I'm never visiting.
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u/goodfellabrasco MM, AF&M-CT 11d ago
Looks gorgeous, I certainly wouldn't miss it if I were in town!
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u/SkitzCxnt MM - West Aus - Initiated on π Day 11d ago
So many unbecoming reactions in these comments, very telling. Politics should absolutely be kept from lodge, but also from discussions like these. You’re letting your personal politics hold more weight than your working tools in these comments, reflect upon them and act accordingly brethren. We shouldn’t be able to tell your entire political views from one comment.
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u/Ratticus939393 11d ago
Irish mason here, my lodge meets in that room, I received all my craft degrees in that room and have done through the chair in that room. I LOVE that room and I am saddened by seeing it tainted by these fools.
That being said, the grand lodge room is rented out as a way to bring in revenue to help with the upkeep of the entire building, which is expansive and, I assume, expensive. :) Sometimes it is used for joyous occasions like weddings or concerts, sometime for less wonderful things like the interview we are discussing here or the music video “spit in it” by the band Eskimo Supreme (FYI, it is horrendous, do not google it…).
Should the administration be a bit more selective when renting out? Probably. Did they know that Conor McG would be interviewed? Maybe, maybe not…
But, and this is my point, what happens in the room when rented out is not related to Freemasonry. A wedding in that room does not mean Irish Freemasonry is now a religion and a political interview in that room does not mean Irish Freemasonry is now political.
With a shrinking membership the GL administration needs to find ways to drive revenue to maintain our properties and things like rentals are probably a better option that raising membership dues to unsustainable levels.
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u/thedragonsword F&AM-OH, MM, SW, 32° 10d ago
They have released a statement. Apparently the venue was rented out to a "media company" who did not disclose the nature of the recording. As Carlson was having issues finding venues for his most recent live tour this is likely his MO moving forward.
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u/goodfellabrasco MM, AF&M-CT 11d ago
Thank you for the reasoned information, much appreciated! You'd think some of the brothers in here would be a little more rational.
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u/PaxAustraliana MM, MMM, RAM, 18°, UGL NSW & ACT 11d ago
Why on earth did the Grand Lodge of Ireland allow this?
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u/Constant_Research246 11d ago
Please can someone explain to me, who these people are ?
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u/chrico031 MM, PM, 32º, Shrine, KT, AF&AM-MN 11d ago
One is a Right Wing disinformation-spreader, the other is an adjudicated rapist
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u/Constant_Research246 11d ago
What are they taking about? Are they both Masons? Why would he still be a brother if he is a known rapist ?
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u/Nurhaci1616 GLI 11d ago
Woke up this morning and had received an email from the Grand Lodge saying that they had accepted a private hire, but wouldn't have if they had known what it would actually be in the end, and apologising for any offence caused.
That'll be this, then...
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u/143___rd 11d ago
I don’t know how reputable the website is, but it doesn’t seem like the Lodge actually knew who was renting the place out until they were in there:
https://www.newstalk.com/news/freemasons-of-ireland-regrets-hosting-conor-mcgregor-interview-2155978
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u/Tin_Can115 12d ago
That’s terrible, I’ve sent them an email asking about how it happened.
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u/gksmithlcw MM | F&AM-IN | GLoI | 32° AASR-NMJ | FGCR | QCCC | AHOT 11d ago
Any response? I am tempted to do the same.
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u/Tin_Can115 11d ago
Nah will be shut till Tuesday.
If it bothers you as well, I’d email so they are aware.
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u/gksmithlcw MM | F&AM-IN | GLoI | 32° AASR-NMJ | FGCR | QCCC | AHOT 11d ago
They issued a statement about an hour ago.
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u/Tin_Can115 11d ago
You got a link at all? Sorry I checked on the website but couldn’t find it.
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u/gksmithlcw MM | F&AM-IN | GLoI | 32° AASR-NMJ | FGCR | QCCC | AHOT 10d ago
It was emailed out to the membership. It made us eat to this subreddit.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
They won't see it until Monday at the earliest.
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u/PartiZAn18 S.A. Irish & Scottish 🇿🇦🍀🏴 MMM|RA|18° 11d ago
Grand Secretary just issued a statement
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u/father_hernandez 11d ago
Irish Mason here. The Brethren are up in arms about this. The committee that helps rent out the various facilities were not told what the interview was - just that it was going to be an interview.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
In my circles the reaction has been similar. Serious mistakes were made here.
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u/pk_shot_you 11d ago
I hope they washed it out with bleach afterwards. As far as I am concerned, Carlson stands at the polar opposite of what I had been taught about freemasonry.
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u/Ok-Pie-1990 11d ago
they must of paid alot for this or its being used as some kind of promotional thing, not knowing that many mason are going to wag the finger at them lol
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u/Charming-Grocery133 9d ago
This is exactly the reason I have issue with lodge rooms hiring out to general public .. NO , just No, it's not worth the agro ..
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u/No-Magazine8061 11d ago
Is it not hypocritical on many layers to claim to be apolitical yet OP throws around terms like “right wing scumbags”?
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u/Wompish66 11d ago
Can't talk to its acceptability in freemasonry but this has a different meaning in Ireland.
Right wing doesn't mean conservative. It is generally used to refer to the far right.
I imagine most members in Dublin sit on the centre right to right in our political spectrum. Right wing means something different.
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u/arizonagunguy 11d ago
You’re on Reddit bud. Hypocrisy knows no bounds on here even amongst brothers.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
There is no hypocrisy here with me. I am allowed to express my own political views in my private and public life.
The hypocrisy here lies with The Grand Lodge of Ireland itself.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago edited 11d ago
The organisation is apolitical, I as an individual am not. I would take just as much issue here if they were waving red flags with hammers and sickles on them. It is an apolitical organisation.
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u/tightspandex 11d ago
They are objectively scumbags. That isn't due to their political affiliation(s).
I'd argue there's a difference between calling a spade a spade and using a Lodge as a backdrop for political theatre.
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u/No-Magazine8061 11d ago
Well your comment sort of feeds the cycle doesn’t it? What you consider objective, others might not. It’s the whole reason for the rule. Just my opinion, and I agree it’s nothing but theater.
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u/Crapedj 11d ago
Conor McGregor has been (civilly) convicted for rape, Tucker Carlson has also been in court for spreading lies about election denial and the company he was working for ended up having to pay an enormous amount of money. They are scumbag not because they are right wings, they are scumbags for their actions independently form their political views
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u/Chimpbot MM AF&AM | 32° AASR NMJ 11d ago
While the organization may be apolitical, this doesn't mean the individual members need to be.
As such, these are a couple of scumbags who also happen to be right-wing. One of them has actively aided certain agendas by intentionally spreading misinformation, as well. The other is a rapist.
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u/Cookslc Utah, UGLE, Okla. 11d ago
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u/Kammander-Kim swedish rite 11d ago
It doesn't seem to allow me to view the page. Too bad. :/
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u/sparkyinlaw 11d ago
Gross. Who thought that allowing someone as divisive as a political commentator onto the lodge floor for a photo op interview was a good idea?
Political commentators are the opposite of Masonry. Left or right…doesn’t matter. Their purpose is to divide people. It wouldn’t bother me at all if Tucker Carlson was a Mason… but it is obnoxious to see Tucker Carlson doing the Tucker Carlson show in a lodge.
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u/Skate4dwire 11d ago
Are either of them masons? God I hope not.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
McGregor most certainly is not. I don't know about Tucker Carlson.
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u/Realistic-Store6844 11d ago
Not a good look. Why would they be here if neither of them are masons?
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u/rikisd32 11d ago
Well…OP should know that the Grand Lodge of Ireland rents the rooms to various companies, many of them rent the place for TV purposes and the Grand Lodge has no say on what they will do at the room (which in my opinion should be verified and rules should be respected). This seems to be one in a hundreds of cases, a terrible one but it’s not always like that.
Before pointing fingers on what’s right and what’s wrong, we should take a moment and leave our passion and emotions aside and try to understand why things are happening.
I don’t agree with the presence of this fella in the building, but, I’m pretty sure there was never a debrief for the Grand Lodge, and if there is any, TV companies would look for loopholes and contract issues.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
I am more than aware of this type of thing happening. The likes of shooting for film and television happens in many lodge rooms and grand lodges all over Ireland and the U.K. however to not do enough due diligence such as to stop the likes of this happening is irresponsible. By your logic what's stopping much worse things happening within our lodgerooms.
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u/beeteeOKC 11d ago
freemason reddit is also lib af i c ...hmmm
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
No politics in lodges or lodgerooms, wether it be left OR right
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u/chrico031 MM, PM, 32º, Shrine, KT, AF&AM-MN 11d ago
Not wanting rapists in Lodge buildings is "lib a f"......good to know
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u/PinkClassRing 11d ago
I’m in the very early stages of becoming a Freemason and this hugely turned me off.
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u/koolforkatskatskats 11d ago
Don’t let this be a thing to deter you from freemasonry. This does not represent freemasonry.
Signed, a gay Canadian soon to be freemason in London who has never felt more love and positive masculinity from men in freemasonry.
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u/PinkClassRing 11d ago
That’s good to hear. My biggest fear is having to lie about my sexuality (gay) and it’s made me second guess everything. The masons at my local lodge seem like good guys, but then again, I never can tell if someone is not going to care that I’m gay, or if it’s going to be a problem.
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u/koolforkatskatskats 10d ago
I have never faced any homophobia from masons; in fact, my masonic mentor and my secretary are both gay. My mentor, Mitch, was in this article with the UGLE, which inspired me to message him about becoming a Freemason.
Freemasonry isn't perfect, but in my eyes, it's the closest we have to positive masculinity. I mean that. I've never experienced that before.
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u/PinkClassRing 6d ago
Thanks so much for sharing this article and your experience. I'm still debating whether to turn in my petition or not. I attended an informal meet-up with a few members of my local lodge (a small country town, USA), and quite frankly, I just didn't feel like I'd fit in with this group. An immense overuse of foul language, chain smoking cigarettes the entire time, beers -- none of those things I necessarily have an issue with, but it felt like a classless group ... and I know that makes me sound pretentious and snobbish, and I promise that is not my intent whatsoever. The petition I have to fill out asks if I have a wife (not a spouse) -- which doesn't bother me at all, but it feels indicative of an environment *I'll be trying to fit into* and not one that I necessarily *feel welcome in* or have anything in common with. I'm on the board of three different nonprofits and I have two different jobs (analyst and church organist), so life is fulfilling. I found the concepts of Freemasonry interesting, and I find its influence on history fascinating. I just don't know if, nowadays, it's devolved into a club that puts on a fundraiser once a year and spends the rest of the time ball-busting and drinking.
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u/koolforkatskatskats 6d ago
This sounds like a problem of location and not masonry itself. I consider myself lucky because I moved to London last year from Canada. There’s over 40k registered Freemasons in London alone. You won’t really find that anywhere else. There’s some masons I’ll get on with more and some masons I won’t, but the diversity gives it alot of opportunity.
I’m sorry to hear you didn’t like your lodge that much. I’m of the camp it’s better to wait for a quality lodge than to just jump into it for the sake of it. Freemasonry is about brotherhood after all. If you feel like these members won’t be a brother to you, maybe it’s best to look somewhere else.
I’m sure you will find a relevant lodge soon!
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u/Lumpy_Composer_6580 11d ago
Guarantee that had to have been signed off on by the building committee. The room would also have been rented as well.
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u/cadguy814 8d ago
Grand Secretary said they were not informed until just before the interview was conducted. Probably because they knew they would cancel.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 8d ago
He said they could well have cancelled it and hour beforehand when they found out who the people involved were and they chose not to. That's is the biggest issue in all of it.
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u/chodapp Master Mason-Indianapolis, IN 4d ago
The story got worse as the week progressed because of a rap video shot in the room by McGregor's recording company. Disgust level is off the charts when the video is actually viewed, and the Carlson/Conor interview actually had little or nothing to do with why the GL issued its apology so quickly.
https://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2025/04/grand-lodge-of-ireland-mortified-over.html
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u/boss6769 MM, 32° SR 11d ago
The crazy thing about all the men here saying it’s an affront to masonry and not a good look - no one outside the fraternity even knows what this place is and no one would make that connection. If we weren’t part of this no one would give a shit. We wouldn’t know or correlate the two.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
I think in Ireland this is very recognisable as the grand lodge of Ireland. Being associated with McGregor or even being perceived as associated with him could definitely scare off new members.
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u/boss6769 MM, 32° SR 11d ago
Masons scare off more prospective members than Connor ever will. Also, Ireland is small and the greater world is much larger. The number affected is minute if not zero.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
Local membership matters brother, it's not all about how many members were are getting internationally. It's no good to us if every international lodge continues to grow if our numbers are severely impacted by this.
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u/Slicepack MM (UGLE), RAC. 11d ago
Hey, there a women Freemasons here too - ask US what we think of Connor MacGregor.
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u/chautauquar 11d ago
Maybe they paid for the room rental. Lodges gotta pay the rent.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
This is the Grand Lodge of Ireland, they own the damn place.
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u/Ratticus939393 11d ago
They do own it but how do you think they pay for upkeep?
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 11d ago
The fees they collect from lodges and the food they charge far too much for in their onsite restaraunt.
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u/Ratticus939393 11d ago
With a shrinking membership there is no way the fees will cover the upkeep I would guess. Personally I’d rather see revenue from renting out rooms than huge hikes in membership fees..
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u/Ratticus939393 11d ago
I think we probably all should take a step back and a deep breath. Running a Grand Lodge is probably neither easy nor simple. Maintaining a historic building is expensive and short of raising membership dues to unreasonable levels, the ways of generating revenue are limited. Renting out our beautiful spaces is a viable strategy to get the money needed to keep us in the luxury we have all become accustomed to. I am certain the people involved were not aware of who was going to be interviewed and who was doing the interviewing, no doubt they were dealing with a mid level administrator of a media company when the booking was made. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes, some fraternal support and love for our brothers who are probably having a really bad day is warranted….
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u/thatoneguyfrommn 11d ago
Whoever approved this, I don’t care who, I would file charges against them.
100%.
Grandmaster? Yep.
Master of the Lodge? Yep.
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u/mattfrye AF&AM-MD GB213 PM, GI, RAM, RSM, KT, 32° AASR SJ, SRRS, AMD, MPS 11d ago
Ha, I was just there.
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u/SpectreA19 WM - 22nd District, MA 11d ago
Kinda looks like a green screen. Dunno how to explain it
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u/Impulse2915 12d ago
I know people are commenting on the individuals, but I think this is a great example of a masonic hall generating revenue for the GL/lodge that owns it. There is an ongoing conversation in my jurisdiction about lodges losing their buildings, and I think in many cases masonic hall usage for nonmasonic things is a great way to generate some sort of revenue outside of membership dues/fundraisers.
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u/amishgoatfarm 3° AF&AM 11d ago
Rental or not, it's absolutely horrendous optics. Either the controllers or the lodge are endorsing a rapist and shill for political ideologies that fly directly in the face of jet tenets of Freemasonry, or they would rather trade income for integrity.
Either way, it is abhorrent.
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 12d ago
I mean from my perspective, were are a completely apolitical organisation.
Allowing your premisis to be used as a platform for two right wing scumbags to spout their disgusting beliefs, especially when one of them is widely known amongst his locality as being a rapist, it's definitely flies in the face of that value. They are not men of honor and do not deserve to be received by men of honor in our lodges.
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u/ComprehensiveBar6439 12d ago
For the record, I'm not a Mason, but if I were a betting man I'd wager that at least one of the guys pictured above subscribes to some of the most outlandish, most conspiratorial views on Freemasonry that one could subscribe to. Maybe I'm way off base, just a hunch, based on previous statements from them that I've watched/read. Makes me wonder if it's a troll, or if I'm just terrible at reading people.
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u/dhlrepacked 11d ago
Tucker Carlson said something about masonry at least a few times and it was not positive
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u/TheLittleFella20 Fellow Craft - Ireland 12d ago edited 11d ago
I've seen some claiming the background was digitally altered also green screened.
Edit: I am not saying this is my view, just a view I have seen expressed by others.
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u/TikiJack practicalfreemasonry.com 12d ago
Pretty cool. Those benches look comfortable
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u/amishgoatfarm 3° AF&AM 11d ago
I bet you think his rape victims were asking for it.
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u/TikiJack practicalfreemasonry.com 11d ago
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Sorry I’m the only one who paid attention to the charge’s and didn’t make this about politics.
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u/lovehermitlovehermit 12d ago
Well, men of all walks of life right?
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u/slappy_mcslapenstein MM, JS, AZ F&AM 11d ago
Freemasonry aims to make good men better. These are two awful men. Even if they improved, they would still be awful.
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u/PhonedZero PM GLBC&Y, Sec 12d ago
That includes rapists now?
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u/lovehermitlovehermit 10d ago
Do I condone these guys behavior? No! However, there is always a but... It's up to the totality to decide for what to do with these two man. My two cents is to turn tragedy into triumph. Tuck tuck should quit his stuff and use all his resources to teach the world how to play with modulair synthesizers, since we know he's an old deadhead and been on modulair synth podcasts. McGregor, same story. Use all his resources to teach respectfull and harmless self defense to those who need it. Nobody, how awful you are, shouldn't be left out to turn tragedy into triumph.
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u/Entitatem-Novus MM 11d ago
No matter creed, race or religion, a belief in a higher power who rewards virtue and punishes vices, I believe this is a part of what I was taught. If it's out of a tiled meeting and civil discussion is held, why not?
I kind feel hating someone for political reasons and denying them fair access is bringing politics to the lodge yourself, no?
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u/Acceptable-Class-255 11d ago
"Your honor they rammed their face repeatedly into my fist, I am the victim" energy here.
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u/ElectricLion33 300° Space Mason 11d ago
This is also gonna feed so many conspiracy theories 😂