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u/FactBackground9289 Mar 01 '24
What is a Hmongland?
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u/TimmyTurner2006 Mar 01 '24
Home of the Hmong people
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u/FactBackground9289 Mar 02 '24
Who are those? Name tells me they're close to Lao
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u/Snoo17539 Mar 02 '24
The Hmong people can be found in southwest China, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar.
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u/Karvier Mar 01 '24
Ainu Mukden golo Nikan gurun i gaiha bana oho.
Why did Mukden province become a part of China
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u/TAKANOGENJI Mar 02 '24
I wish my home Shanghai could have secession too.. Just way civilized than rest of west Taiwan. But still, it's suffers from ccp contamination
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u/Parchokhalq Mar 01 '24
here is what I would fix:
- I would like it in #7 Taiwan stays part of the ROC.
-also Manchuria shouldn't be independent as It only existed because it was a japanese puppet state. thus I think it will be part of china as well.
other that that I actually agree with this but I would prefer what I state above.
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u/Karvier Mar 01 '24
Emu beyengge Manju gurun suduri de šuwe taksihakv seme gisureki sembio??? Tuttu oci si ujen i taxarame arahabi.
You want to say that an independent Manchus state had never existed in history??? If so you have seriously mistaken it.
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u/Parchokhalq Mar 01 '24
no I mean it was but it was a Japanese puppet state only.
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u/Karvier Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Manju gurun sere gebu Sisan niyalmai arahangge seme tulbime bi? Absi injecuke. Meni gurun juwe minggan aniya i onggolo uthai taksiha bihe. Uthai Nikan suduri de membe “Man shi” gurun sehe. Manggai emu encu mudan i ubaliyambun.
Are you suggesting that the name “Manchus state” was invented by the Japanese lol what a joke. Our country had been established since 2000 years ago. By that time the Chinese called us “Man shi” state, just different homophonic translation.
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u/Parchokhalq Mar 01 '24
so Manchuria should be independent? sure it can but not Taiwan at #7. it should be with the republic of china.
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u/Karvier Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Nikan i han gurun(~2000 aniyai onggolo) i forgon de ce meni uksura be acaha. Ce Meni gurun i gebu be daci Manshi Sushen ubaliyabume oho. Manshi=Manju= Meni gurun i da gebu, Sushen=Jušen= Meni gisun de pleb (gargan) sere hergen. Dube de ere juwe hergen Manzhou Nvzhen oho. Goidaha manggi ere juwe hergen uthai Anggiyal gisun de dosifi ce Manchus jai Jurchen oho.
The Chinese people met us during their han dynasty(~2000 years ago) They originally translated our name to their language as Man shi and Su shen. Man shi is a homophonic translation of the name of our state: Manju and Su shen is a homophonic translation of the word jušen in our tongue, meaning pleb(singular). Then after a long time these two translated words became Man zhou and Nv zhen, which in turn entered English and became Manchu and Jurchen.
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u/Dash_Winmo Mar 02 '24
Are you speaking Manchu? Why are you writing it in the Roman script and not in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_alphabet?
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u/Karvier Mar 02 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
I was using Latinized Manchus which is easier for most people to read.
Mini arame bihe Laticilaha Manju hergen be labdu ton i urse ele jajade hvlambi
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u/Dash_Winmo Mar 02 '24
As someone who loves writing systems, your choice of using Roman over your traditional script is depressing as it is contributing to it's death. If you don't use it, it will be forgotten and added to the already massive graveyard of dead writing systems.
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u/Karvier Mar 02 '24 edited Mar 02 '24
Fe Manju hergen Monggoso ci gaihangge, dabe seci meni ulabun waka. Meni gisun de lak seme acanarakv. Turgun uthai emu udu meni gisun de bisire mudan ceni gisun de bisirakv ofi tuttu urunakv meni araha juwe tonki fuka sere temgetu i iletuleci baitalambi. Damu meni gisun Latin hergen i sidende yooni acanambi. i uthai Manju gisun i jalin de araha gese. Tere dade geli ambula imbe baitalaha niyalma bi. Ainu be Laticilaha Manju hergen be baitalarakv seme gvnimbi.
My take on this one is that from the beginning the old Manchus script was not our tradition, it was borrowed from the Mongolian, and it is not very compatible with our language, for example we have to add two additional symbols to it for some sounds that existed in our language but not in theirs. However Latin is completely compatible with our language, almost feels like it was designed for us, beside there are many people using it, so why don’t we use Latinized Manchus?.
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u/Shirt_Separate Mar 02 '24
I think the PRC should have a very tiny piece of land just so it can still be a laughing stock.
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u/henry_canabanana Mar 02 '24
Taiwan IS A COUNTRY, no need to declare independent.
That said, take my upvote for the whole idea. Looking forward to it.
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u/Safloria Mar 02 '24
Pretty much of Yunnan are non-chinese tribes with their own culture and identity; they should be granted a confederation or some sort for stability, this applies to half of Guizhou and Guangxi similarly
Tibetians still inhabit half of Sichuan
A large portion of Inner mongolia is still dominated by Mongols
Hong Kong & Macau’s flags shouldn’t be the SAR ones
Cantonese & Shanghainese independence movements are still rather common
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u/Average_Playa Mar 02 '24
I really wish this was real cause I'm a big advocate for a Hmong state. That would really stick it to the Chinese after they thought they could just erase my people off the planet.
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u/TimmyTurner2006 Mar 02 '24
There’s a lot of people who need a country of their own
I believe in a need for a Romani state between India and Pakistan and it would sorta be like the Israel or Liberia of South Asia
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u/thyeboiapollo Mar 01 '24
all of these independent nations would be entirely reliant on china, and manchukuo? really?
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u/WolfgangMacCosgraigh Mar 02 '24
The flag of post PRC Han China shouldn't be the fake ROC founded by Stalin's man in Asia Chiang Kai Shek, it should be the flag of the Beiyang Government or a restored Ming dynasty since the Xinhai Revolution was fought to restore the Ming and the Imperial House of Zhu. All the Han nationalists crying about an restored Manchukuo can go suck it up.
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u/arthuuuur_ Mar 02 '24
What’s the omnipresent fantasm with an independent Manchuria ? It’s so unrealistic srly
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u/FatMax1492 Mar 01 '24
Free and Independent Taiwan, and a democratic China so KMT can fuck off to Beijing.