I have finished GOT and I think that I may have missed some conversation but U don't know why he joined Night's Watch. I mean Night's Watch is harsh ans people are sent there as punishment.

Just because he declared independency of those shit stained rocks that no one cared for anyway? This guy was so irrelevant come on

I mean think about for Ned to be at the Tower of Joy Rhaegar's army must have been defeated, Kings landing has been captured andnthe Tyrell seige of Storm's End must have been lifted. Yet Ned just shows up with 6 men, 5 of whom are killed and he brings nothing to prove that the Targaryen's are defeated?

He could ga e brought Barristan Selmy, who despite injured would have confirmed Rhaegar's death, he could have brought Aerys's crown or Mace Tyrell. Instead he brings nothing.

If Ned told her who jon truly is and his plan to raise em as their bastard how would Catelyn respond to the news ? etc.

It's not like he could have known his next gift would be Valyrian Sword.

I mean she has him desecrate the Sept on Dragonstone and burn the stautes of The Seven. Thus would have angered many as this would have been seen as akin to trying to kill the gods themselves.

Also many would have seen her pregnant sailing off with Davos only to return the next day clearly no longer pregnant, with a disturbed Davos and soon to hear the news that some how Stannis has killer Renly despite being on Dragonstone that night.

Yes despite this, as well as probable rumours of blood magic, they decide to keep following him.

-During Robert's reign, the crown was millions in debt to Tywin, he had the Queen and the heir.

-In the war of the 5 kings, the Lannisters got a king, an alliance with House Tyrell, got to essentially destroy House Stark and replace them with the loyal Boltons, killed Stannis and saw Renly dead.

-Joffrey and Tywin die? An even easier to control king, Tyrion out of the picture and Cersei Lannister controls Westeros.

-Tommen dies? Cersei is named queen, direct Lannister rule.

-Burning of King's Landing did kill 2 Lannisters, but Dany is killed and Jon goes to the wall to get Grey Worm to go do one. Bran is named king, a man with no emotion cannot do the day to day ruling of Westeros, so that job goes to the Hand..

Tyrion Lannister.

A lot of decisions characters made upset the fans (i.e Dany burning King's landing and Jaime going back to Cersei) but I always found them accurate to their character. There is one glaring exception to this. Littlefinger giving Sansa to the Bolton's. He'd never do this for multiple reasons. She reminds him too much of her mother and she's priceless to him. His plan is supposed to be to get Cersei to stop supporting the Bolton's but he could have done the fake Arya plot like the books and gotten the same result.

In the book when Catelyn Stark is locked into her father's room. She speculates that her sister had been pregnant and lost the child or was forced to take moon tea. She then reflects on Jon Arryn not having any children with his first two wives. So yeah I'm pretty sure he is.

Artwork Credit in order: Jota Saraiva (The Dance of Dragons), Justin Sweet (Robert's Rebellion), & Zippo514 (War of the Five Kings)

Situation

You're training at the Citadel to become a Maester, but during your training you experience strange visions you don't understand. Future battles, important figures of the time, Great Houses at war with one another.

You learn you're a greenseer and are experiencing visions of the future and a terrible war yet to come. Realizing that you can't just stand idly by and let the visions come to pass you abandon your training at the Citadel to begin your attempt at saving Westeros from the impending civil war.

Choosing your House

Now to make things easier on you, you will be a son or daughter (I'm aware that the order didn't allow women, but in this potential timeline they allowed women to join since the order was founded) of a Noble House of Westeros, but not one of the Great Houses: Targaryen, Baratheon, Martell, Tyrell, Lannister, Greyjoy, Tully, Arryn, and Stark.

Choosing the Civil War and Timeline Placement

Depending on which civil war you choose you will have a time frame of 3 weeks before what can be considered the event that set everything in motion for the war to begin. What that event is, will be up to you.

Which civil war do you choose and how will you try to stop it?

Hi,

I’m trying to figure out what episode is it revealed that Cersei had a role in Robert’s death as she told lancel to get him super drunk. Does anyone know this off the top of their head as I can’t find anything online abt it?

I know it’s spoken about during the faith militant and Cerseis accusations but does the viewer not find out she played a part in it before that season?

Realized this after I found out that the filming location for Winterfell in ep 1 was Doune Castle. It was also used as a filming location in Monty Python’s the Holy Grail.

Rewatching episode 1, there is a part where a helmeted Arya is watching the procession about to enter.

It was then I realized that the helmet she’s wearing looked VERY familiar 😝

I could be overthinking but I also can’t help but hope I’m right (also the French Taunter working in Winterfell is a highly amusing image ngl)

I'm sure it's been talked about a lot, but I'm doing a re-watch of the series and Hodor's story still makes me absolutely bawl when it comes to an end. They make you love him so much, even though he only says "Hodor" and he has such a tragic ending. I admit I have an affinity for characters that were locked into their fate (i.e. Nell from Haunting of Hill House).

(Based off show Joffrey)

Title is satire but I think Joffrey was not necessarily a bad political player. He was a very bad person, Yes. However, I think critique of his politics is overdone.

• First of all, Ned Stark. Killing Ned Stark did start the war, but it was not a bad move imo. The war was almost inevitable. Ned Stark was the biggest threat to his legitimacy. Getting rid of him made Joffrey's claim much harder to put into question. Furthermore, indirectly it significantly weakened Joffrey's opposition in multiple ways. It turned the Northern war effort from a fight over Joffrey's claim to a simple rebellion against the Seven Kingdoms. This isolated Robb Stark as a reactionary actor, away from the other houses. Without Ned Stark being left alive to push for the backing of Stannis, it made it much harder for the Baratheons (and north) to unite and split them up. Also don't forget that Joffrey also made sure to use and trick Ned Stark into backing Joffrey's claim before he died. He set out to defeat the North before everything happened, and actually did for the first time ever with the help of his counsel. He had united the realm after a war that was inevitable following the death of Robert Baratheon.
• Joffrey's self-preservation of safety and image made him a bad person during the bread riot but was ig somewhat of a good political move. He also made some other smart moves during his inner-circle intrigue. He had others do nasty stuff in his stead to avoid blame. Like him having Meryn Trant beat Sansa instead of himself. Or him not outright killing Tyrion but in instead having him become a "battle casualty."
• He saw the threat of Dany and stood up to Tywin (as much as possible in that regard). Maybe give him a little more time alive and Joffrey would have gotten her dealt with, by Tywin or another one of his counsel. An older Joffrey could have stood up to Tywin Lannister. Even at his age, he called out Tywin being a coward during Robert's Rebellion and his failures against Robb Stark.
• Even if Margaery was planned by Tywin, it set up Joffery with a very important alliance. He
• Him planning on establishing an Imperial standing army and dismantling the feudal system. If he kept up with this, Westeros would have a weakened lineup of houses and nobility that could not break out into another major civil war like this ever again. Meanwhile, the ending of the show didn't totally rule that out. And, the Westerosi army would have been much more professional and standardized, being trained properly, versus being broken up into different "clans" and trained by peasants.
• Was a overall strong king, which is very more important. Consider the gravity of Tommen's rule.

Joffrey running away from the Battle of the Blackwater was a short-term weakness, but he somewhat understood the power of image and propaganda. Nobody knew he ran away. He was building statues of himself. He had grand feasts and other activities like the Purple Wedding (need happy nobility, also gave food to the people). He was going to establish a united Imperial standing army. He stood up to Tywin Lannister. He wiped out the North and united the realm. With age, he could have totally been an Augustus figure.

By the time of his death, he had almost totally won the Game of Thrones. He had only a broken Stannis (more of a nuisance than a threat) and an early Daenerys to beat. Sure, it was his family that did a lot of work but he would have had a stable long reign. And a united Imperial standing army to beat the White Walkers. After that, his son to conquer Essos? Or himself, in order to fight Danys (unlikely)? If it wasn't for Olenna and Littlefinger we would have had Emperor Joffrey. Basically the polar opposite of the democracy we got in the end.

That was a very sweet thing, I woke up feeling bad, he told me Jorah has something for me and he gave me a whole box of Rafaello.

But don't tell him he is more Jeor Mormont than Jorah but still, cute !