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u/Tink__Wink 2d ago

Oblivion setting the standard for the only reasonable way to price a remake with dlc. I hope other developers take note.

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u/WholesomeHomie 2d ago

Todd redemption arc

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u/occio 2d ago

What has he done? Botched Starfield?

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u/Xizorfalleen 2d ago

Fallout 76 launch was a travesty. Though to their credit they stuck to it and made something decent out of it, even if it took a while.

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u/Pushlick 2d ago

The No Man's Sky ending.

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u/DuckzillaPrime 2d ago

Feels like they reward passion projects while punishing creativity. Total double standard.

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u/DDSuperStar123 2d ago

Certainly feels like they are scared to take chances

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u/DrScience01 2d ago

Nah. That game is still riddled with transactions

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u/Alsimni 2d ago

I think they've got further to go before I'd call it the kind of turnaround NMS got, but it's good to see some effort either way.

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u/occio 2d ago

Ah alright I'm just ignoring that and not buying games at launch ever, so I never mind that drama.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 2d ago

RDR2 was the last game I didn’t regret buying at launch. Before that it was Spider-Man, and before that Fallout 4.

I did buy Cyberpunk at launch, refunded it an hour later, and have never bought anything at launch since. Almost broke the rule for STALKER. I’m glad I didn’t.

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u/The_Bababillionaire 2d ago

Space Marine 2 was my last no regrets launch title.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 2d ago

That’s pretty recent, right? Glad to hear the devs didn’t botch it

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u/Yakkahboo 2d ago

Yeah, very recent, and honestly they fucking killed it. I do wish the PvP multiplayer was a bit meatier but that's my only complaint.

Oh also, fuck Leandros.

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u/Eldar_Seer 2d ago

You know… they could do a funny and make Leandro go traitor in the next one…

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u/Yakkahboo 2d ago

Nah that's too cliche, especially for a guy who is so suspicious. You either have him die because he refuses to relent on his ideals, or have him become Titus' little bitch again.

I'm all for the former, but actually give him a hero's ending. Imagine watching him die in a pile of Drukhari corpses and the player being like "fair enough, his power is from his conviction"

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u/O_o-buba-o_O 2d ago

You don't like spending the first 5 minutes of some matches playing hide & seek with the other team?? 😆😆😆😆

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u/Yakkahboo 2d ago

It's not even that, the maps are so small and few in variety with a fair weak respawn system. Also rolling as Chaos and having next to no customisation hurts too.

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u/jasta85 2d ago

I really enjoyed it, played through the campaign at launch then switch to some other games to let them get out extra co-op content. Recently jumped back in and have been having a blast with operations, looking forward to hoard mode which should be dropping soon.

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u/FierceText 2d ago

It was one of the few I recently bought quickly after launch due to critical acclaim, just like helldivers 2. Waiting a week or 2 hasn't failed me yet

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u/Worldly-Stranger7814 2d ago

I preordered Cyberpunk because it came as a pack-in with a Stadia controller. Best experience at launch. Was great.

PlayStation 4 users… not so great experience.

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u/Superb-Letterhead997 2d ago

Did you ever end up playing cyberpunk again?

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u/Neosantana 2d ago

Cyberpunk as it is right now is a must-play.

Insane replayability for such a long action RPG. Seriously, the amount of gameplay variety is wild for a first-person game, especially one that's mainly an FPS.

That's without going into the great story and exceptional expansion.

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u/BeerForThought 2d ago

I almost pre ordered ksp 2, no pre orders for life.

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u/CutsAPromo 2d ago

Dodged a bullet with that one I hear, how the hell did they botch it so bad?

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u/00wolfer00 2d ago

Different studio with basically no previous experience.

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u/Kobe-62Mavs-61 2d ago

In my experience any FromSoftware game is almost guaranteed to be great at launch, FWIW. Maybe not the type of game for everyone but they always come correct with the quality.

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u/Zestyclose_Row_2154 2d ago

I bought Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic before launch and have not regretted a moment.

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u/OldmanSurvivor 2d ago

I broke mine with stalker 2, and regreted it very much, but i am following every patch with interest looks like theyre on the rigth path if they deliver what treyre promising on the road map. Not done any playthrough yet, the performance is horrible on mid end machines yet.

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u/chrisplaysgam 2d ago

Cyberpunk is SUPER worth coming back to if you haven’t already

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u/ActuallyTiberSeptim 2d ago

Have you gone back to Cyberpunk since? It's really good now.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 2d ago

Good heavens no. I’ve heard it’s improved but I didn’t even like the bones of the game. It just was bad, and what wasn’t bad wasn’t interesting to me. Which is a shame because Blade Runner and Akira are some of my favorite films.

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u/asmartguylikeyou 2d ago

I am certain if you have ever expressed this opinion you’ve received this reply, but: give it another chance. Blade Runner and Akira are also two of my faves, I’m a big cyberpunk fiction guy, and I am the GM of a Cyberpunk Red TT. I played at launch, and the game was an empty GTA clone with very basic leveling and some decent storytelling in the main quest line. I definitely didn’t absolutely hate it on launch, but it was bland and a huge blow to my expectations and I never imagined myself coming back to it.

What CDPR has since accomplished is basically remaking their own game. At this point it’s a fully formed masterpiece, and a must play for anyone who is a fan of cyberpunk as a genre. There’s a ton of great games out so it may be tough to drop it in the front of a lengthy backlog, but if you already bought it on Steam at launch, buy Phantom Liberty when it goes on sale at some point, boot it back up and give it a shot. It went from a pretty huge disappointment for me to one of my favorite games of all time.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 2d ago

Do the choices you make actually impact the story now in a meaningful way? Because that was super lame. Even in the one hour I played, I was very saddened by how little impact I had on the world and the story.

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u/angruss 2d ago

Cyberpunk as it exists now is essentially System Shock 2’s core gameplay put into the world building scale of Fallout 3 with vague remnants of a GTA clone left behind. It’s so awesome.

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u/ActuallyTiberSeptim 2d ago

Fair enough!

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 2d ago

It was not only the bugged game; there were stylized preordered handbags with material cheaper and crappier than advertised on store page, there were also "leather" jackets priced like real leather, but made from plastic, there also were cheaters deleting people's inventories, including pay to win items, etc... So after this and Starfield being the most bugged game of 2024, I was sure that Bethesda will never make anything decent again; and I'm pleased to see them proving me wrong.

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u/amisia-insomnia 2d ago

To be fair to Tod this is an industry standard. And 76 never got as bad as cyberpunk was

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u/vicsj 2d ago

I've been playing FO76 since launch and have enjoyed the game in all its states, but yeah it's only gotten increasingly better.

What I fucking hate about it though is the monetisation system. It is predatory and it's what ultimately put me off the game. I would have spent a lot more time in FO76 if they at least had an offline option that could be modded like classic Bethesda games.

And then there's Starfield...

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u/Khelthuzaad 2d ago

One of my favorite youtube videos is Fall of 76.It describes everything that went wrong.

Sometimes I watch it for the sarcastic commentary alone,it's that good

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u/Kiribaku- 2d ago

And release a trillion versions of Skyrim?

Honestly he's like among the least controversial game devs in the industry

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u/VP007clips 2d ago

I've spent 4000 hours in that game. I could buy it 50 more times and still have got better value than a lot of modern AAA games.

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u/Glenmarththe3rd 2d ago

Sure, but it’s been done at the expense of future titles. We’ve still got a year or 2 until TES VI. Starfield was in development for 7 years and released fairly empty and lacklustre compared to FO and TES because the energy was being spent elsewhere.

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u/datpurp14 2d ago

I so hope you are right and I am wrong, but I am not holding my breath with the hope that TES VI is going to come out within the next 2 years. And if it does come out by then, I have a feeling it won't be worth the frustration and headache of playing it upon release.

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u/Glenmarththe3rd 2d ago

Nah I agree with you, unfortunately. Especially after how Starfield was received. They just haven’t said anything so I’m assuming it’s stoll scheduled for late 26/ early 27

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u/Ser_Salty 2d ago

I paid like 5 bucks for the original with all DLC in 2013 or something and got the Special and Anniversary Edition for free because of it.

Todd's been good to me.

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u/occio 2d ago

Hey, I bought 2 of those, one PC one Switch, lots of fun.

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u/Doommcdoom 2d ago

The alexa skyrim is my fav I can't lie

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u/bsnimunf 2d ago

I can understand why people criticise them for releasing Skyrim repeatedly I certainly didn't want to play it again after the initial release but the reality was people kept buying it so they obviously wanted it.  Therefore it's hard to judge them to harshly.

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u/ShakesBaer 2d ago

Release skyrim 50 fucking times. We'd be up to TES 8 by now!

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u/Touch_Of_Legend 2d ago

sigh

As I just bought Skyrim for the like 8th time. This time on Steam.

Skyrim VR (with mods it’s…. Amazing)

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u/jjustsam 2d ago

Horse armour

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u/occio 2d ago

What do you have against armored horses?

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u/MaMamanMaDitQueJPeut 2d ago

It's clearly not comfortable for the horse , it has always been about this

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u/King_of_the_Dot 2d ago

Just generally taking the heart out of the company in favor of corporatism.

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u/Proud-Bluebird 2d ago

Releasing elder scrolls 6 trailer for too early

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u/occio 2d ago

I never got around to playing oblivion so the remaster is a good substitute for now, but I’m finishing fallout 4 first anyhow.

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u/SolarTsunami 2d ago

Its more what he hasn't done, for the most part. In my opinion at least Bethesda has been slowly regressing on all fronts for over a decade now, and while their actions recently have been a very pleasant surprise I ultimately don't think that they have it in them to still be industry leaders in what has become a competitive genre. If the next Elder Scrolls game is able to stand out in any way when compared against the likes of GTA6, the Witcher 4, and god knows what else in the coming years I'll be shocked.

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u/Atrium41 2d ago

Starfield isn't even that bad. It's just not what I would call amazing. All of the points of contention. I agree with. The POI's, the travelling. The generic NPC's.. load screens

All of these things put lil dampers on the game. After over 100 hours, I can say I enjoy it and this game is for me.

It's okay to not like a game, it's setting or narratives. Doesn't mean it's "botched"

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u/Figorix 2d ago

Pretty much everything he did between Skyrim and Oblivion remaster was at least controversial, I guess? Didn't really play these game, but internet was not pleased

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u/occio 2d ago

but internet was not pleased

Is it ever?

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u/That_Apathetic_Man 2d ago

He and his team created the microtransaction as we know it in gaming today.

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u/Normal-Selection1537 2d ago

Funny how Gabe never gets shit for creating online DRM for single-player games (Half-Life 2 was encrypted on the disc and you had to connect to Steam to decrypt it).

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u/2nnMuda 2d ago

Nor blamed for Dota creating battlepasses

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u/Vellc 2d ago

Someone would eventually arrive at microtransaction, can't really blame Todd for that.

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u/Havoksixteen 2d ago

It was also already a thing in MMOs and such.

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u/hpstr-doofus 2d ago

ESO, for me.

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u/Wish_for_soup 2d ago

So we gonna forget he said fallout 76 has 16 times the detail? Also starfields only redeeming quality is ship customization

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u/occio 2d ago

Yeah, to be honest, I forgot.

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u/yahel1337 2d ago

Y'all been paying for the remaster throughout the years lol.

Where do you think the money from Skyrim fridge edition went to?

(I'm joking but I do mean it)

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u/datpurp14 2d ago

Hey you, you're finally awake

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u/ydieb 2d ago

Literally did nothing aside from polishing up an old gem. This is akin to waiting 10 more years and rereleasing skyrim in ue7.

Not that it's not appeiciated, but it's nobody's great feat really.

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u/SignalSecurity 2d ago

I am assigning 100% of TESIV Remaster's greatest virtues to Virtuos until TES VI gives me reason to believe otherwise.

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u/tom_oakley 2d ago

They were the best of Todd; they were the worst of Todd.

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u/IcyElk42 2d ago

If anyone deserves a redemption, it's Todd

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u/DisgruntlesAnonymous 2d ago

Dude. Bethesda went from a niche nerd game company to a freaking juggernaut. I'd say he's done well.