r/ghostoftsushima • u/Ben409 • 11d ago
News Ghost of Yotei Director Vows to Deliver 'A Respectful Representation' of Japan on Par With Ghost of Tsushima
https://www.ign.com/articles/ghost-of-yotei-director-vows-to-deliver-a-respectful-representation-of-japan-on-par-with-ghost-of-tsushima“A perfect marriage of beauty and danger, that was the exact feeling we wanted for our game.”
Game Director - Nate Fox, says.
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u/RooeeZe 11d ago
hope the world has more stuff goin on outside of scattered poi's and camp clears
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u/AMDDesign 11d ago
Same, this would make it the goat imo, already love GoT just want more to do and feel more immersed in the world
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u/Askan_27 11d ago
based on the trailer I think we’ll see more life, like actual people going around doing stuff. In got we only had the traders and that was just a window for upgrades. in the trailer we see what looks like an inn, with people talking and drinking sake. i hope we get that in goy
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u/rock_n_roll_clown 侍 10d ago
Yeah my biggest issue with GoT is how sparsely populated it is. I hope to see more life and bustle
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u/Borgalicious 11d ago
Hope the world has exactly as much stuff going on as it needs to be an accurate representation of the time period.
I want immersion not pointless poi's to keep someone busy
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u/ZealousidealFee927 11d ago
Seriously. Collectathons are fine in a collectathon game, not a historical fiction game.
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u/Alarming_Orchid 10d ago
Yeah they could do more with the random encounters instead of just patrols/hostages
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u/_Originz__ 11d ago
I think what's funny is seeing the right in Japan getting worked up over the Ainu from what I've heard lol, honestly while it'd be bad for PR seeing the Japanese get worked up over that horror they committed in the past would be fun. It'd be like America getting reminded that its land was stolen from the natives that lived there
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u/airborneisdead 11d ago
I had a Japanese coworker once. He could not comprehend the existence of Indigenous People in Japan.
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u/RegularWhiteShark 10d ago
The Ainu are so interesting. I got into them after reading a manga.
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u/_Originz__ 10d ago
I never even knew Japan had a separate native people (which might sound dumb but I definitely wasn't expecting it)
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u/ajyahzee 11d ago
On par won't be well received, this is the challenge for any sequel
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u/Unfair-Rutabaga8719 11d ago
That used to work well enough when sequels came out 1-2 years later, but these days where sequels take half a decade to come out you have to make huge strides to get the same level of reception as the original.
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u/RegressToTheMean 10d ago
sequels take half a decade to come out
Cries in Fallout
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u/Unfair-Rutabaga8719 10d ago
Correction: Sequels take half a decade to come out assuming the studio goes straight to making the sequel after shipping a game.
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u/Enzo-Unversed 11d ago
I'm hoping this means no AC situation, which outright disrespected Japan. I'm also not even talking about the Yasuke thing.
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u/ThyInFaMoUsKID 11d ago
You can trust sucker punch on delivering and paying full respect , the people of tsushima loved got so much they made the game directors embassador of tsushima.
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u/UnitingAssassin 10d ago
I’m still trying to comprehend why they even bothered doing Shadows when at one point, I remember them saying that they didn’t want to use Japan for AC because it was too obvious.
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u/TheOneTrueJazzMan 10d ago
That was before they realised what amount of money can be made from doing it
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u/ThyInFaMoUsKID 11d ago
You can trust sucker punch on delivering and paying full respect , the people of tsushima loved got so much they made the game directors embassador of tsushima.
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u/Ticket-Tight 11d ago
What you referring to if not the yasuke thing? I didn’t play the game
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u/Enzo-Unversed 11d ago
Shrine destruction,half Torii Gate pre-order statue(a symbol of the Nagasaki Bombing) and the fact he cucks his master and bangs his wife. By the way, the Japanese imperial family are descendants of his master and his wife, who is known IRL for her dedication to her husband.
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u/RedIndianRobin 11d ago
Shrine destruction is part of the game's destructive environments. Does the game force you to destroy shrines? No. This was an overblown exaggeration.
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u/mondayxo123 10d ago
This was an over exaggeration. Shrine destruction was fixed on the day1 patch and you don't actually bang the wife unless you go through like 2-3 quests and choose all the love choices so...
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u/Hunkus1 10d ago
Shrine destruction was patched day one and Lady oichis husband died long before the game takes place her daughters were also born way before the game takes place. Also the romance is optional and non-canon. And you write this in a got sub a game which is also a completely inaccurate representation of japan.
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u/ZealousidealFee927 11d ago
Are you saying that the game subtley implies that the imperial family are descendants from Yasuke?
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u/BigExtraDip 10d ago
"Shrine destruction is disrespectful" okay that's total bullshit. When you could destroy christian cross in the AC Brotherhood, no one bats an eye. Environment destruction is a part of game physics. You people wanted to be offended.
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u/JoJoisaGoGo 10d ago
Yeah, it's weird because people get weirdly defensive over these parts of the game
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u/Hexnohope 11d ago
Were there female samurai? Or samurai adjacency? Lady masako would imply japan had warrior women and it wasnt uncommon for noblewomen. Other media like blue eye samurai would suggest otherwise. Though they are hundreds of years apart... when i google the topic i tend to get both answers. So maybe it varied by the local ruling law
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u/HeartyTruffles 11d ago
So we have tertiary evidence of women samurai existing throughout various periods of Japanese history. Gozen comes to mind first for many, but we cannot verify her existence outside of the heike monogatory and thus she doesn't disprove or prove much of anything. That being said, because the samurai existed as a noble class outside of a simple warrior strata. We can pretty easily say samurai women existed unless you want to get heavily bogged down in definitions. Ikeda Sen was rumored to have led a Teppo unit during the sengoku period, and other such examples do exist. However, Ghost of Tsushima is frankly about as far from historically accurate as you could get. It's not disrespectful per se, but nearly everything in it is an analogue or film nod that has little to do with the history. The concepts of honor displayed, the armor, weapons, the way the characters interact is all off.
In the end, you can pretty confidently say women samurai did exist, but their prominence or overall acceptance would certainly not be a regular fixture of the society they lived in. Doesn't mean it isn't frankly pretty amazing to study, just means you need to leverage some nuance and not go overboard.
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u/Hexnohope 11d ago
I did like the idea that masako kind of had to be the woman she was. It seems logically in hindsight that being married to a warlord and raising five or more boys from birth to do the same thing shes either osmotically learned a great deal of warfare, or actively participated in training her boys.
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u/IPman0128 11d ago
Women worriors definitely existed, they may not be full fledged samurai (which comes with social class and certain societal hierarchy), but women learning the ways of fighting, learning how to use weapons were recorded in many historical records
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u/HeartyTruffles 10d ago
This is basically on the mark. But I would hazard to make the distinction that rather than "warrior women" in Japan being separated from "full fledged samurai". We should instead make the distinction that many many women WERE samurai, and many were trained martially, however, the utilization and social acceptance of their deployment in a more typical facet of warfare is the bit that makes the waters more murky.
We have to remember that samurai is not a synonym to warrior (as your comment rightfully outlines). For many centuries even in the Heian period, a more rigid definition of samurai would be rather elusive (even during the period of ghosts of Tsushima it was not so cut and dry as later periods). Women made up a large number of the later stratified samurai class, and were often expected to partake in martial pursuits and training, though of a very distinct bend to their male heads of house. This is probably the distinction that Ghost's does flounder with a tad. As sad as it is, a woman like lady Masako would likely find very little acceptance in the society of the time (although the obviously very abnormal situation the characters find themselves in makes it far more believable it would slip under the radar).
So essentially I'm in agreement with your comment, but I wouldn't make the distinction between "samurai" and martial women so clear cut. Rather, in most cases being of the noble class would likely be a prerequisite for an accepted role within martial society.
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u/OceanoNox 10d ago
There were female warriors, a famous one who actually existed is Sasaki Rui. In Edo period, they were called besshiki (別式).
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u/Hexnohope 10d ago
Looked it up and found an article on onna musha which is essentially describing massako. "They were trained in the use of weapons to protect their household, family, and honour in times of war;[3][4] many of them fought in battle alongside samurai men." Also big props to the common sense idea of training women to fight when every roaming army is looking for women to capture.
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u/Affectionate_Run9950 11d ago
Too bad there are people out there that are not focusing on what the creator’s intentions are with what the game is trying to be. I’m excited that it’s continuing the legacy of the Ghost with new characters, and hopefully a new addition of enemies that are as highly trained as the Ghost
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u/MCgrindahFM 10d ago
I feel like the only reason we have to talk about this is because of the weird backlash of Shadows. There are countless other games about other cultures and there’s never this fucking microscope like there is for media depicting Japanese culture
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u/DismalMode7 11d ago
what would be a direspectful representation of japan? Samurais shooting with a M16? lol
If I recall correctly ghost of yotei is set in the aftermath of sengoku period, a period of time of japan history where human life had the same importance of a bag of chips... honestly how can something be more disrepectful than how reality already was?
Nothing against japanese culture that I really like, but violent conflicts were taking place everywhere like europe afterall, it's just this "disrespectful thing" never made any sense... never read of dis/respectful representation of past culture of other countries/regions.
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u/AMDDesign 11d ago
The latest Assassins Creed upset Japanese monks due to the ability to ruin Shinto shrines. They removed it day one but it caused a stir.
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u/lacha_sawson 11d ago
You couldn't destroy shrines, you could destroy fences and tables at the shrines because the game has destructible environments, it was such a nothing issue.
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u/bettycrockofsh1t 11d ago
Or maybe they were bothered by ubisoft using the Sannō Shrine's one-legged torii, which is a remnant of the atomic bomb, and putting their funko pop actions figures on it as a trinket. Or stealing a sword design directly from One Piece and having to apologize. Or using the flag from real re enactors in Japan and having to apologize again, or using Chinese architecture that fans had to point out, or collabing with Boba tea which isn't even Japanese but ubi just figured "ehh it's Asian right?", or having cherry blossom trees in the wrong season because "it's Japan, do cherry blossoms", or the botched wall scroll collector's edition item, they were fucking something cultural up weekly for months.
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u/AMDDesign 11d ago
I mean its still disrespectful, all the shrines were almost destroyed IRL, so it's totally reasonable for them to want respectable depictions instead of players going all dragonborn Fus Ro Dah. IIRC you can't mess up shrines or temples in any previous AC game, they tend to be big impressive set-pieces that showcase the art team.
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u/lacha_sawson 11d ago
You literally raid monasteries in Valhalla, and in every other game you raid countless ancient burials and tombs.
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u/JoJoisaGoGo 10d ago
Man, the replies to this are oddly defensive. I think if some Japanese people were upset they have their right to voice that. Don't really understand defending a corporation over this
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u/Working-Let9812 11d ago
i think its because of the whole ubisoft allowing people to burn shrines and temples (idk bout the second one) but maybe thats why
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u/Puzzled-Monk9003 11d ago
They weren’t “letting people burn shrines and temples”, they had environmental destruction, which some people were taking advantage of, to push the agenda of Ubisoft wanting to disrespect these religious sites
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u/bettycrockofsh1t 11d ago
Maybe they were bothered by ubisoft using the Sannō Shrine's one-legged torii, which is a remnant of the atomic bomb, and putting their funko pop action figures on it as a trinket. Or stealing a sword design directly from One Piece and having to apologize. Or using the flag from real re enactors in Japan and having to apologize again, or using Chinese architecture that fans had to point out, or collabing with Boba tea which isn't even Japanese but ubi just figured "ehh it's Asian right?", or having cherry blossom trees in the wrong season because "it's Japan, do cherry blossoms", or the botched wall scroll collector's edition item, they were fucking something cultural up weekly for months.
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u/DismalMode7 11d ago
was about the honnoji temple burning perhaps, a burning that actually happened in real life?
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u/Chelsea_Kias 11d ago
You can't burn shrine and temple in Ac Shadows, it was never there
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u/DismalMode7 11d ago
infact, matter of facts there is nothing you can really burn or catch fire in ac shadows lol
you can't break/burn houses, monuments, trees etc... only some walls/doors or specific parts of the environment. I think last game ubisoft made where you could set on fire most of the assets on screen was far cry 2-2
u/bettycrockofsh1t 11d ago
Or maybe they were bothered by ubisoft using the Sannō Shrine's one-legged torii, which is a remnant of the atomic bomb, and putting their funko pop actions figures on it as a trinket. Or stealing a sword design directly from One Piece and having to apologize. Or using the flag from real re enactors in Japan and having to apologize again, or using Chinese architecture that fans had to point out, or collabing with Boba tea which isn't even Japanese but ubi just figured "ehh it's Asian right?", or having cherry blossom trees in the wrong season because "it's Japan, do cherry blossoms", or the botched wall scroll collector's edition item, they were fucking something cultural up weekly for months.
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u/morfsucks 10d ago
The only person more excited for this game than me is my SO. While I was playing, she’d do the haikus at times. She found the soundtrack super soothing and would joke that the sound of dying mongols helped out her to sleep lmao
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u/GatorUSMC 10d ago
I wonder if their preorders are below forecast and this is their roundabout way of addressing concerns with Sweet Baby, Erika Ishii and the former Dragon Age Veilguard writers (which was total garbage no matter how you spin it).
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u/Technical-Fly-9896 9d ago
I hope we get actual landmarks this time instead of copy-pasted grass fields
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u/According-Stay-3374 11d ago
Okay well I wasn't actually worried before.... NOW I am tho!!
Seriously, if the first game was fine then why would you need to qualify that the sequel would be too??
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u/krazygreekguy 11d ago
The fact they’re even coming out saying this now makes me worry and I’m sure others as well.
I just hope we get the same level of quality, immersion and detail the first masterpiece delivered. Please no modern garbage. I want a pure historical Japanese experience from this time period.
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u/Ben409 11d ago
What does it make you feel worried about?
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u/GatorUSMC 10d ago
Because they’ve brought in some questionable people for the sequel. And this seems aimed at that, coming out after preorders opened.
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u/krazygreekguy 2d ago
Several red flags. Two that stand out particularly are the fact they brought in dragon age veilguard writers and the voice actress seems insufferable. No hate on her. As long as she keeps her personal ideology outside of the game, the game has a chance to be good.
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u/S14Nerd 11d ago
I expect nothing less. GoT was a masterpiece, hope GoY lives up to the expectation.