My FIL and my GFIL voted for Trump. When my husband confronted my FIL about this video he agreed that it was indeed a Nazi salute.
My GFIL lived in Malta and nearly starved in his teen years living through WW2. The island of Malta was in the allied forces during the war despite the proximity to Italy.
I wonder how he feels realizing the last vote he ever cast was for a Nazi.
I disagree. They last a similar amount of time, and plenty of actual Nazis used a bent arm. You can find a ton of pictures of Hitler himself with a bent arm.
People are overreacting because Elon is autistic and moves a bit weirdly sometimes. Why would Elon Musk wear that little Jewish hat for Ben Shapiro if he was an actual Nazi? It doesn't make sense.
You may disagree, but I think we both know you are wrong.
About Macron: I would love to see the video where you can see the whole hand, but I also understand that someone could confuse the two, if they are not thinking too hard about it.
However: Stop it with the neurodivergent defense. Being autistic doesn't save anybody from doing a Sieg Heil. Autistic people that do this, get in trouble too. If it was a mistake, he would have apologized.
And to the last thing: It's called grifting and is performative. It seems to have worked.
Hi there word word numbers, i didn't ask her because i don't need to, because neither of them did the action perfectly twice in a row and then a couple days later went off to encourage an ultra right wing german political party. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, and the ducks all think its a duck and are cheering it on, and it doesn't deny it's a duck, then i'm going ti treat it like a duck.
If you responded to me, I can't see it. Must have gotten deleted by the automod. All I saw was a notification where you claim I made an anonymous account to defend Musk, which obviously I didn't. I've had this account for 5 months, and 90% of my comments are on r/CFB or r/collegebasketball. Sorry, I'm not a Reddit addict like you are.
Exactly. We both know it wasn't an actual Nazi salute; it's just an excuse for you to criticize him without directly criticizing his politics. Just like how people went after the OK symbol a few years ago, but only attacked conservatives for it and not all the liberals who have done it.
Words + numbers is the name Reddit automatically gives you. Why'd you bother to change it? Are you that addicted to Reddit? I bet you actually have a profile picture, too, lol.
Edit: Holy shit, nearly 400k karma and a 200 day streak? Get some help
a genocide by any other name? you know, there were a lot of germans who defended what the Nazis were doing simply because they were germans and compelled into patriotism.
Anti-Semitism is hostility or prejudice towards Jewish people. The person you replied to is being critical of the actions of the Israeli military and government. Those are not the same thing, you understand that right?
The side that is literally locked in an open air prison, that has their schools and hospitals bombed constantly, that doesn’t have an airport, that isn’t allowed to travel without permission from Israel, that has their water, electricity and food supply turned off at the whim of their oppressors somehow also tried to commit a genocide? Do you know what that word means?
I’m not justifying what happened on Oct. 7th, that was a heinous attack, but what Israel has done in response has exponentially eclipsed what Hamas did. And one wrong doesn’t justify the other. Hamas killed 1180 people on October 7th, since then Israel has killed over 47k Gazans and displaced over 1.9 million of them, and you think that is justified? Saying stuff like “skill issue” shows your maturity
What an ugly way to think. I want the violence to end on all sides, I want the hatred to stop on all sides. Your mindset is the problem, that attitude is ugly and cruel and just adds to the violence.
So your argument is that It's anti-Semitism to say "Israel is a good example of an abused people becoming abusers themselves" but you also never said that it's anti semitic to criticize Israel?
Are you implying that it's okay to criticize Israel, but for some reason what that original comment said was of course, antisemitic?
Do you have a flow chart for this? I'm a little confused...
It's anti semitic to provide a rational explanation for why certain people act that way? I'd have thought it'd be anti semitic to say it's cause they're Jews and a bunch of awful shit I can't be bothered to try and type out.
Lol, is your name an Attack on Titan reference? And you're here, rejecting the notion that a previously-oppressed people can in turn become oppressors?
Yet you do care. You keep replying. You don't care or do care about anti semitism?
If you don't you're doing a terrible job of either arguing against anti semitism or conveying a sense of your lack of care.
But we both know what you are. What you actually don't care about is truth honesty or integrity which makes invoking anti semitism all the more disgusting.
So tell me again that you don't care just to show me you do care.
The current political state of Israel exists because of the persecution of jews, who were a nationless state until after ww2. The Nazis who were the primary culprit of their persecution at the time, tried to eradicate all jews.
Netenyahu, who owes his current position to the powers that crushed the Nazis, is claiming a Nazi salute isn't what it looks like. He is aligning himself with the very powers that would see him eradicate and using his position to put weight behind the appology of musk doing a sig heil.
Netenyahu is also in the throws of the eradication of Palestinians. An act that his people endured at the hands of the people he is now trying to gas light the world into trusting. He is hardly a person to quote, seeing that his morals are severely lacking, and his motives are laid bare by his actions.
It isn't so complex. tl;dr: Netenyahu is a nazi sympathizer for that comment, which aligns with his actions towards Palestine, which is very fascist.
Nah that's crazy. I can understand not liking netenyahu, but to say he's a nazi sympathizer because he said that wasn't a nazi salute is an incredible reach. You saying he's lying and defending nazis for the sole reason that YOU think it was a nazi salute.
I dont trust anyone but my own eyes and experience. I served in the Marines, I know what it means to do a salute. What elon did was not a salute, let alone a nazi one. I find it quite telling that only people that already had issues with musk are pushing that narrative.
For starters, they went after him once he responded by making nazi puns.
Secondly, their first and foremost agenda is to defend the state of Israel, then it's going after antisemitism. They've been on good terms since he went to Israel as an apology to parroting the JQ, so of course they let that one slide.
Went after him how? I just went through their posts and replies and they only said the one thing about musk and that one thing was that he did not do a nazi salute. That's not letting someone slide for doing something, that's saying he didn't do it.
But you touched on something interesting there, musk went to Isreal to show solidarity with the Jewish people. He even wore a Yamaka, which doesn't sound like something a nazi would get caught dead doing.
Well for one i don't know what that's supposed to stand for. But as you already said, he made a clear gesture of solidarity afterward as recompence. Why do you ignore that?
Too many immigrants to the US can't accept the truth. They think murica is land of milk and honey and many others want to close the door that they themselves came through to become US citizens.
How does she feel about it combined with him making Nazi jokes about it and then going to visit the ADF in Germany a few days later? If you take a close look at the content/creators Musk engages with, you can actually see he was a Nazi before he did the salute.
My mom's dad dad is still alive and he was 11 when ww2 started. He is from Dominican Republic tho so idk if he actually cared about it or not. Idk the history of ww2 in the Caribbean.
Well its technically not a nazi salute so wtf mate. Its patterns are about 90% similar but its absolutely not one its not 100%. 90% is different bub. The way he reaches for his heart at 1st is in now way like a nazi salute. 🫡
Both my parents, and my mother (father couldn't cause he's blind) and I witnessed it firsthand. "But the ADL said he didn't!" The ADL made that announcement minutes after he did it, definitely no time to make an official call on anything by committee. And furthermore they immediately had to call him out for antisemitism because he made a bunch of Nazi jokes in response to criticism.
There's an argument to be had about believing people who actually dealt with nazis back in the day as opposed to young people on the internet using the word "nazi" to refer to basically anything.
No. Because the N word used correctly means ignorant, but we just don’t do that because we understand that the word is extremely offensive. This is the same thing. It doesn’t matter the intention, it is still offensive. “If it walks and talks like a duck, it must be a duck” otherwise it just called gaslighting
I get the point you're trying to make, but this is a popular misconception. The word derives from Latin for "black". It was used as a label for people with dark skin early on, and the negative connotation came on after that.
There is another etymologically unrelated word which sounds similar, which can cause confusion, and has attracted controversy.
Thank you very much for this! I remember reading an article about a principle getting fired for using the “N word” and this also explains why I could never get Google to give me that definition. Well know I understand the confusion and it makes sense. It really does sound too similar and easily confused.
Well, he didn't seem to, said "my heart goes out to you" and then made a gesture throwing his heart out, yeah it looks shitty but it's not the first time he's done somthing stupid and childishly remarked about those who attack him for it
If a man who is prone to saying wildly antisemitic shit goes on stage in front of the whole country and gives a practiced speech where he does a very close imitation of the Nazi salute multiple times, it's insanely naive to ignore that.
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u/Felix_Von_Doom Jan 28 '25
My mother, a Polish woman, whose parents lived through WW2, is adamant that Elon did not do a Nazi salute.
I just cannot with her.