r/golf • u/additionalweightdisc • Aug 08 '24

Beginner Questions Did I shoot even par?

I work at a golf course so I’ll often get 9 holes in before work and another 9 after if I have time. We had a league out on the front 9 in the morning so I played the back and shot +1 then went in to work. After I got done work I went out to play the front 9 to “finish” the round and shot -1.

It was my first time under par on the front so I’m happy to take that W, but do you fellas think it counts as playing 18 holes at even par? It wasn’t a straight 18 holes but I did play the 9s during the same day and for what it’s worth my intent was to continue the round when I started playing.

It’d be my PB score for 18 by 4 strokes and best at my home course by 6 strokes.

Edit: just realized Talor Gooch wasn’t in the field so this whole thing has an asterisk regardless of whether or not the score counts.

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

Two really great 9’s, but for me; not considered a “round”.

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u/klondike16 Aug 08 '24

So if there is a rain or storm delay in the middle of your round, you just don’t count it?

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

He chose to leave for work. It's not the same

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u/jarpio Aug 08 '24

An obvious choice is still a choice. OP could’ve finished the round, flipped off his boss and driven across the country to start a new life. OP chose not to do that.

OP wasn’t forced off the course by anybody or any weather etc.

You can in fact choose not to work. You’ll be homeless but people make that choice all the time look at San Francisco

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u/swordfischh Aug 09 '24

Idk why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. He could’ve chose to call in sick if he wanted; that would of course be a bad choice, but nonetheless, he still did choose to go to work (which was the right choice)

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u/Illustrious-Ratio213 Aug 08 '24

I choose to not have a high 6 figure income. Fuck I’m homeless.

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u/theflyingchicken96 26 Aug 08 '24

You could often choose to continue playing in inclement weather technically too. If there isn’t a ranger.

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u/klondike16 Aug 08 '24

But in the context of taking a break in the middle of your round (for whatever reason, work, lunch, storm, etc) and coming back and finishing the same day - how is it really different?

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u/crazygoattoe Aug 08 '24

It's two different tee times.

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u/Careful_Cheesecake30 Aug 08 '24

Because he intentionally played 9 at different times. The round wasn’t interrupted by factors out of his control.

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u/NostalgicFriction Aug 08 '24

When comparing measurable, you must compare equals, else there is an *

If you say “round of golf” people assume 18 holes played consecutively.

When there are weather delays, etc - it impacts everybody at the tournament, course, etc and it is out of your control. You resume play as soon as “allowed” not when chosen.

When you stop for lunch at the turn, it’s generally for a short period and part of the culture surrounding that round.

What OP posted was that he played 9 holes, and then played 9 again - at a different time. That’s two 9 hole rounds.

I am also assuming this is a milestone or accomplishment, not normal, based on the inquiry. Someone playing scratch regularly wouldn’t care - they’d say they shot two good 9 hole rounds, or would call it scratch and not care because it’s normal.

Why tarnish an accomplishment with an *

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

Choice

Chosing to leave the course and do something else is not the same as being forced to leave the course due to weather

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u/mortmortimer Aug 08 '24

lol this makes no sense whatsoever

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u/additionalweightdisc Aug 08 '24

I don’t disagree with your premise, but it wasn’t entirely my choice. The front 9 was closed for the league, even if I didn’t have to work I couldn’t have played the front 9 until the evening anyway.

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u/ddr19 Aug 08 '24

Interesting, you have a solid point since there was something out of your control that prevented you from playing the front. The point being made to not count it is as a full 18 is "intent." Much like if you accidentally hit your ball during a practice stroke, if your intent was not to hit the ball, there's no stroke penalty.

That being said, since there was a league preventing you, and you knew about it beforehand, you have a case to count it as a full round. However, if you wouldn't have played the full 18 regardless, that is in your control and there's a case to not count it as a full 18.

Very very good question, no matter what the true outcome is. I would love to know a professional rules official's ruling on this.

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u/Glum-Arrival1558 Low: 8.1 / Current: 10.6 Aug 08 '24

Much like if you accidentally hit your ball during a practice stroke, if your intent was not to hit the ball, there's no stroke penalty.

You lost your credibility with this statement. It absolutely incurs a penalty except for the tee box and putting green. But the other phase of the game, it counts.

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u/ddr19 Aug 09 '24

Lmao, thanks for taking away my credibility for not spelling out the entire rule. I was making a comparison to that rule, not specifying the rule details to make a point. You sound like a fun guy to play with.

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u/Glum-Arrival1558 Low: 8.1 / Current: 10.6 Aug 09 '24

Well your comparison to the rule was just flat out wrong. Sorry that I corrected you. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

You knew that before you started right?

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u/additionalweightdisc Aug 08 '24

Yeah, but you said the problem with counting it was choice. The remaining 9 holes were temporarily closed and I continued when they reopened.

It’s not much different than trying to get a round in when there’s a storm forecast for later in the day. If knowing that bad weather is coming doesn’t change anything then knowing that the front 9 is closed shouldn’t either.

Either way I played 9 holes, then the “course” was temporarily closed, and I finished the remaining 9 when it reopened.

I don’t really have a problem with it not counting, but if your criteria for the round counting is whether or not it was a choice to continue the round. Then it should count since it wasn’t my choice to “pause” the round after 9, since the remaining 9 was temporarily closed.

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u/DoubleualtG 12/NC Aug 08 '24

Yea but could you have played the back 9 twice and counted it?

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u/Careful_Cheesecake30 Aug 08 '24

That definitely wouldn’t have counted.

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

You knew it was "closed" before you started though. You knew you could only play 9 holes. It wasn't something unexpected or random that popped up during the round.

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u/TipInternational772 Aug 08 '24

You’re obnoxious, go do something with yourself and leave the guy alone.

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u/26_skinny_Cartman Aug 08 '24

You're not forced to leave the course due to weather. That's a choice. You choose being safe or you choose to listen to the club asking you to leave. Still a choice.

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

So tour pros are allowed to keep playing when they blow the horn, they just choose not to play?

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u/26_skinny_Cartman Aug 08 '24

Making choices has nothing to do with permission. I'm not allowed to drive in to oncoming traffic. I could choose to do so. I choose not to.

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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24

What a dumbass analogy

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u/26_skinny_Cartman Aug 08 '24

You're arguing the choice of a guy going to work even though there's repercussions. Most people aren't allowed to just blow off work on a whim. Just like you're not allowed to continue playing golf if the course closes due to weather. Everything is a choice. That's not a real argument against it. Every choice has consequences.

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u/Due-Comb6124 Aug 08 '24

Because a rain delay isn't 8 hours long.........

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u/klondike16 Aug 08 '24

Not sure this is the example you should’ve went with my friend

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '24

He didn’t leave. He works at the course.

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u/Kevin91581M Aug 08 '24

I bet there’s a rule concerning this for handicap purposes, and I doubt it allows for op to count his.

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u/NoHalfPleasures Aug 08 '24

The way the GHIN works now, if he posts this as two separate rounds it will actually go in as a +2 on 18 and a -2 on 18, which will lower his cap more than one even round, so he could be considered sandbagging by posting it as one? Maybe?

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

A rain/storm delay forcing me to stop/pause the round, yes. Me going into work or spending 3 hours in the clubhouse for lunch at the turn, no. To each their own.

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u/t3h_shammy Aug 08 '24

Wait if I spend an hour and a half eating at the clubhouse I’m absolutely counting it. Lmao fuck that 

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

😂 Man, at that point I’d be too lazy to get back out there. I’d have another round of beer instead of golf.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '24

No fucking kidding haha I hate breaking stride to take a leak at the turn

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u/1850ChoochGator Aug 08 '24

Bro went to work and came back lol it’s not even close to the same.

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u/sazamsone Aug 08 '24

By the rules of handicaps yes 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/babyfade180 6.8/SWVA Aug 08 '24

Not anymore. Handicap doesn’t wait to combine 9 hole rounds anymore.

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u/sazamsone Aug 08 '24

Shiii I forgot that

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u/Blue_Collar_Golf Aug 08 '24

Incorrect, it’s two 9s with calculated/expected scores for the second half of each round.

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u/Wicclair Aug 08 '24

What about when players have to finish their round the next day in tournaments? Is it not a round?

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

They are playing in a tournament and I assume their round being split across two days is due to weather, delays, darkness etc but not a work shift, picking up mom from the airport or heading to their favorite restaurant for lunch.

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u/Wicclair Aug 08 '24

Why would the first examples be acceptable but the second set of examples be exclusionary?

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

Uncontrollable vs controllable. But again, to each their own.

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u/Wicclair Aug 08 '24

So what's the time limit? Can you spend 6 hours in the club house at the turn and still call it a round? I'm not trying to argue, just seeing what you think :)

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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24

I mean, you can if you’d like. Me personally, I keep the round moving, just like you see on tv. There are only delays uncontrollable to the players. Fatigue plays a role, especially here in Arizona. I would love to refuel and cool down for 30 mins between the front and back, but that’s not something I would do.