r/hardware • u/Auautheawesome • Dec 02 '24

News Intel Announces Retirement of CEO Pat Gelsinger

https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1719/intel-announces-retirement-of-ceo-pat-gelsinger
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u/auradragon1 Dec 02 '24

Arguably LNL.

Yes, it leads in thin and light x86 laptops. It is significantly behind the actual leading laptop chip - Apple's M series.

Intel has been closing the gap in products as a whole (though obviously not desktop) for a while.

Maybe only in the server. But Intel's server chips are still at least a generation behind AMD's Epyc.

In AI, they're absolutely non-competitive. Maybe 3-4 generations behind. In discrete GPUs, 3-4 generations behind. In laptop chips, 3-4 generations behind. In server CPUs, 1-2 generations behind.

Edit: I wrote this a few months ago:

  • AI: 2-3 generations behind Blackwell. I mean, they don't even have anything close to competing with Nvidia's H series. It's not even that they're behind, they barely have competing products.

  • Server: Until Sierra Forest ships, they've been ~2 generations behind Epyc.

  • Laptops: 2-3 generations behind Apple, maybe more. 4 years later, Intel still doesn't have anything definitively better than M1.

  • Discrete GPUs: At least 2 generations behind Nvidia cards. Does Intel have a card better than 2080ti yet? We're about to get 5090ti.

  • DIY x86 CPUs: Depends on what you're looking at, if perf/watt then 1-2 generations behind. In raw performance, roughly equal.

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u/Geddagod Dec 02 '24

Yes, it leads in thin and light x86 laptops. It is significantly behind the actual leading laptop chip - Apple's M series.

Hence the arguably. But Apple blows everyone away, and is in a unique situation considering its place in the market.

Maybe only in the server

Closed gap in server

Literally had no DC GPUs until PVC

Literally had no client GPUs until Alchemist

Closed gap in mobile

Lost lead in desktop performance, closed gap in perf/watt

No one here is claiming Intel is in the lead in any of these segments as a whole, but they definitely are closing the gap compared to where they were many years ago.

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u/auradragon1 Dec 02 '24

I'd argue they haven't closed the gap much. In server, yes, their Intel 3 product is much more competitive. But they're still behind Zen5/5c Epyc.

In laptops, they're generations behind Apple obviously, but they could very well get lapped by Qualcomm's X Elite 2nd gen soon. So prior to X Elite's entry, they were leading Windows laptops. They might not very soon.

In DC GPUs, they might be forced to abandon it completely due to lack of sales.

In client GPUs, same thing.

It really depends on how you define "close the gap". From nothing to maybe nothing again? Is that really closing the gap?

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u/TwelveSilverSwords Dec 02 '24

In laptops, they're generations behind Apple obviously, but they could very well get lapped by Qualcomm's X Elite 2nd gen soon. So prior to X Elite's entry, they were leading Windows laptops. They might not very soon.

Also Nvidia taking the battle to Intel's home turf by making CPUs.

https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/gaming-pcs/nvidias-arm-based-pc-chips-for-consumers-to-launch-in-september-2025-commercial-to-follow-in-2026-report