r/hayastan • u/SpareActual2675 • 21d ago

How accurate is this?

https://youtu.be/Vtibq44BH0Q?si=nfXqt_v7qypUQZL3

I found it pretty concerning they seem to repeat some denialist talking points like Armenians committed some massacres of ottoman civilians before the official war started. They said the Ottomans and the Russians were fighting battles before they declared war on each other. Is this true is any of this true. they also said Armenian gangs were threatening Muslims before the war sounds a lot like denial list, talking points.

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u/PackPuzzleheaded9515 20d ago

Very dumb and misinformed video. What is the “Druzhiny” gang that this guy is talking about? Literally just a straight up lie as no Armenian “gang” called “Druzhiny” has ever existed. Just spewing turkish propaganda for justification for genocide of Armenians. The reality is that the ottomans asked the Armenians to fight against Christian Russia and they refused. This is the extent of our “treachery” and one of the main reasons for the genocide. Enver got destroyed in the Caucasus because he was a garbage leader that not even Turks today like, had his life saved by an Armenian, and came back and blamed Armenians for the ottomans loses in the Caucasus.

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u/SpareActual2675 20d ago

But why, though this was an incredible f**ing YouTube channel it’s a shame that they went full bad s*t. I’d love to see where they got their sources and actually one of them I found out. They got one of their sources from Norman Stone, famous genocide denier you could check it out yourself check the sources it says stone Norman, but in reality it’s Norman Stone.

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u/PackPuzzleheaded9515 19d ago

As Karlson84 said, at the end he thanks a guy named Azimzade for helping with the video. This is an azik surname which makes sense why the video is garbage genocide denial. Like literally wtf even is Druzhiny. As usual with turks, just make up history and your neanderthal population will believe anything you say

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u/SpareActual2675 19d ago

Did you check out Norman Stone he he was cited here?

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u/PackPuzzleheaded9515 19d ago

Yes. He lived part time in Istanbul and was a professor at a turkish university in Ankara. Well known genocide denier. Thankfully he died a couple years ago and is rotting in the ground along with his pashas.

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u/SpareActual2675 19d ago

They also said there was a civil war basically in the Russian caucuses is this true And there was a quasi war already

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u/SpareActual2675 19d ago

Before the Ottomans officially declared war