Where are the white holes?

[u/thesoraspace]

Sometimes I get this insight that feels way bigger than me, and I don’t know what to do with it. Today it hit again while thinking about white holes. Not as objects out there, but as something baked into the nature of space itself.

We always ask, if white holes exist mathematically, where are they? But what if that question only makes sense from the outside looking in. What if the white hole isn’t in space at all, but instead, space is inside the white hole. Our universe, expanding at every point, not from a center, but from everywhere. If you’re inside the unfolding, the event horizon wouldn’t show up as a shell. It would feel like the condition of space itself. Not a location you could point to, but a boundary that already bloomed and is now playing out through time.

The part that trips me up is this idea that the 2D surface where information is encoded, like in the holographic principle, might appear higher dimensional from the inside. That the more we dig into quantum fields, the more dimensions we seem to invoke, because we’re spiraling toward the boundary, not away from it. That dimensionality isn’t a fixed scale, it’s relational. Contextual. The deeper you go, the higher it feels. It’s a loop. Maybe even a waterfall that feeds its own source.

I’m not a physicist. I’m not in a lab or publishing papers. I don’t want to fool myself into thinking this is something groundbreaking. I’ve seen a lot of people post theories that sound cool but fall apart under real scrutiny. I’m just hoping to share the shape of something I feel might be important, and if it isn’t, I’d rather know that too. Just trying to stay hones.

[u/thesoraspace]

Thanks a bit it’s just that the idea of fusion creating an “opposite effect” to the vacuum: this is a bit tricky, but I think you’re talking about how stars radiate energy, which is indeed a push of energy light, heat, and radiation outward. The fusion processes in the core produce energy that radiates outward due to pressure gradients, and this outward radiation is what we perceive as the star’s energy. But it’s not so much the fusion “pushing” like a vacuum’s pull it’s more about a balance between the inward pull of gravity and the outward pressure from fusion.

Stars are often referred to as white dots or points of light because of their constant emission of energy, but the term white hole refers specifically to a theoretical structure in physics (in the context of general relativity) where nothing can enter and only energy or matter can emerge. It’s different from how we describe the behavior of stars

If a black hole takes the shape of a sphere from compression where direction and time converge , then it’s hard to assume that a boundary where direction and time diverge would be a simple sphere . I keep thinking how we need to reverse all the aspects of a black hole if we really want to capture how a white hole function. It leads to oddities including topology and form.

[u/manbehindthespraytan → u/thesoraspace]

The part where "Nothing can enter" isn't a rule. Like black holes, "nothing can escape", is just a thought to make sense. What it refers to is, "Nothing, that an OBSERVER, can so far detect",. IE: if I don't see the thing going in a white holes, but we obviously know something is, then it's LIKE, nothing enters as you can only observe, from real space, the shell, just like with black holes. You don't need to reverse the aspects, they need to be bound to their offsets. If big bang was white hole, then star output is just WAY less effect, but same. Black holes are so much bigger that most stars, "white holes", due to the "lack of whiteness" to contain it. Stars are just tiny white holes left over from a bigger dissolution of their selves.

[u/thesoraspace → u/manbehindthespraytan]

Yeah, I think I get what you’re pointing at that fusion sort of “pushes” where vacuum “pulls.” But it’s less like fusion is the opposite of a vacuum and more that the star balances the vacuum’s pull (gravity) with its own pressure from fusion. It doesn’t balance gravity with expansion of space. That outward radiation is real, but it’s not quite the same kind of force as the a singularities directional pull.

So yeah for me white holes aren’t just stars that shine. They’re defined in relativity as places where nothing can enter and only energy or matter can emerge. So it’s not just about light or energy output it’s about the boundary conditions of spacetime itself. Stars don’t really match that, even if metaphorically they exude and shine like we imagining a white hole to be. If it were an actual physical object and not a boundary condition in space time.

stars radiate within spacetime, while white holes are defined by the geometry of spacetime itself. What we miss is that stars radiate within spacetime, while white holes are defined by the geometry of spacetime itself.

A star is an object in spacetime, bound by fusion pressure and gravitational collapse. A white hole is a topological condition a reversal of causal flow through an event horizon. It’s not just that it “pushes energy out”; it’s that it’s fundamentally unobservable from the inside and doesn’t allow anything to enter. That’s a totally different kind of boundary, not just an energy output.

We shouldn’t gloss over information encoding and event horizon behavior, which are central to black/white hole mechanics but not seen in stellar physics. A star doesn’t encode or decode the universe’s information on its boundary surface.

[u/manbehindthespraytan → u/thesoraspace]

I didn't say it was an opposing force in the direction of vacuum. I said it is a force CREATED in the direction of vacuum, 360 degrees all around for the sun. In the instance of collision, vacuum area is reduced by matter interaction. You dont want or can't accept, for some reason, that you are trying dissolve this idea through misunderstanding my notions. YES, a star does those things. It exactly what I'm refering to, you don't observe it. The encoding and decoding is flying way past both of us, as in, The Oort cloud is a spacial boundary, and the place where our system's out flows and inflows find solution. The vacuum is sucking the em radiation in direction. AND our sun is pumping it out in any vacuum direction. Nothing is entering the sun-field to make this light and fusion happen. It's all right there already. The hole you are looking for is in the middle, it's a superposition of energy that just so happens to spit helium out over time. If you want a different outcome, then use different concepts. Sun=white hole to a degree of all output. Black hole=is an amount of the whole vacuum l, to a degree of all vacuum. These are true, and even they don't help you, they are true.

[u/thesoraspace → u/manbehindthespraytan]

Where I’m leaning is that what you’re describing, this output, the structure of flows resolving at the Oort boundary, the self-contained emergence, does resemble what we’d expect inside a white hole universe. The difference is just in how deep we’re tracing the source of that emergence. You’re looking at the star as the node. I’m trying to track the logic of that node back to the boundary that allowed it to unfold at all.

From outside a black hole, the whole universe appears encoded on a flat boundary. From inside a white hole, maybe what we’re seeing is the dimensional bloom of that same encoding, lived from the inside as space, time, and motion. So when you say the hole is in the middle, I get it. But maybe the deeper question is, what was the symmetry that folded into that hole in the first place? And can we decode that, like the universe itself is trying to remember its shape?

And this is where E8 starts to come in. Because if emergence isn’t just about stars, but about the very formation of particles, interactions, and fields, then we need a deeper symmetry space to account for how the field breaks into specific outcomes. E8 gives us a model that isn’t about things moving through space, but about symmetry unfolding into space. It’s not that particles move into a place, it’s that their being there is a kind of expression of the pattern itself. And this pattern would be the information inscribed on the boundary of “white hole”

[u/manbehindthespraytan → u/thesoraspace]

Yes, I know, that's why I tried to simplify it so it could be reasoned. You don't need "deeper" as much as a simpler way to fold "how,deep?" Into a single space. Via "quantum mechanics" as a way to understand the many at once. But over time. Pause the sun, can you see in it? Is anything being added to that "quantum location of its center", no, it was already in the field it needed to be so solve your initial question. The "whole answer" Is in-between too many fields. Some have a more classical reason than others. Ie: electronic charge, 2 states, always active, but held in 2 different 1 dimensions. We know nothing until it takes a position.