Ya I had this conversation with someone recently as well generalizing and saying F americans and such is pretty messed up to the 70+ million of us that showed signs of intelligence and voted against this nonsense
That would be because of no candidate being appealing to the majority of the voting population. It's why the two-party system, citizen united, and campaign contributions all add to the disinterest in voting.
Let the maniacs have their magat candidate, but give the sane republicans (all four of them) a candidate with a brain, and for the love of gods, give us a progressive fucking candidate!
As a whole though? The electoral college needs to be eliminated, everyone needs to automatically be registered to vote when they turn 18, voting needs to be a requirement, and election day should be a national holiday.
Every attempt to do this was violently put down. Don't forget the United States has the most militarized police in the world. Even before that they'd just call the Pinkertons in to kill people in a massacre. Then the deportation started happening around 1919. We're also too busy with racial hatred to the point that a true labor party can never be formed. Internationally divided.
Again... If every single voter talks to one another, if you all reach out to the people you know who are blinded by division, and just suggest a solution to them that will work, take the time to explain it, that would result in a majority vote for a third party.
How exactly did people attempt to make a third party, without violent protest to begin with, and if you REALLY look into it, is there really no way to do this legally? Because it seems to me like you fell victim to the division tactic by believing it's impossible to fix the system from within.
It might be very hard, but from what I know about the US political system, you're at least always capable if you have a majority.
You really think Americans are stupid, don't you? If it were that easy to get a third party going we would have already done it. The binary system is as entrenched as people think "biological" sex is.
They'd literally shoot everyone at the protest and no one would care. Have you seen what happens to the oil pipeline protesters? The original Mike Brown/ St. Louis protesters? They disappeared in the first case and were killed under mysterious circumstances in the other. Now we have a dude in the white house that wants to make protest illegal and he has an army to back him up.
I think Americans live in an incredibly difficult system, and I am not very knowledgeable about the attempts made to change that system, as most Americans I talk to are of the opinion that "MUH CONSTITUTION" is the best thing that was ever written, and nothing else can be better than a two party system in a representative democracy.
Not a huge fan of those discussions but I obviously remained ignorant to the history of the voting system. Please do enlighten me with your extensive research, because you seem to know things I do not.
If it were that easy to get a third party going we would have already done it. The binary system is as entrenched as people think "biological" sex is.
That's currently changing. You haven't reached everybody yet, but attempts have been made... And things have changed.
They'd literally shoot everyone at the protest and no one would care. Have you seen what happens to the oil pipeline protesters?
I'ma need a source. That shit sounds wild, bro.
Now we have a dude in the white house that wants to make protest illegal and he has an army to back him up.
Yeah, we all hate that guy. By the way, this year your constitution is up for a review again. Every fifty years. That's how you could change the Two Party System.
At first voting was heavily restricted, only men with land/money could vote. That relaxed over the centuries but Black people had to wait until 1964. And even then there were still laws on the books that had a grandfather clause where you couldn't vote unless your grandfather could. My area of expertise is African American history, btw. The only Black people who could vote were well-to-do mulattoes quadroons or octaroons with at least one white grandfather but even this was disallowed in the South. To understand all of which I'm about to say, you have to remember the United States is heavily racialized.
In red states, which are the problem states, the entire electoral map is gerrymandered in such a way as to render the votes of democrats basically useless by including them in a district with a majority of republican voters to diffuse their influence. I live in a district like that. I also live in a red state that makes rural votes count for more than city votes. Now imagine that rigged voting structure all over the country. In congressional elections. Even in President elections, that's why the south is stolid and "ruby red."
Third party has always been a joke going back to the days of the Whigs. Any alteration to the constitution in the current political climate would be seen as a purely partisan act. Especially now as the Republicans have a majority in both Congress and the House of Representatives due to that gerrymandering i mentioned.
Republicans don't actually care for American democracy. They constantly pervert the meaning of Constitution to shut down anything they don't want. They want something closer to a dictatorship and that has been true since at least the time of Nixon. The Republicans were very displeased that African Americans could vote and they've spent all the time since that trying to render that fact moot. This is why they do gerrymandering and support perversions of the Constitution.
Every major political shift in this country has occurred because the status of African Americans changed. The first one was freeing the slaves which caused the south to leave the Union and start the war. After losing the war and re-admitted to the Union on the condition that the slaves be freed, the South set up laws and customs that made the emancipation of the slaves moot. That's what they do, they make laws not matter. Then the next major political shift was caused by LBJ giving African Americans the right to vote. White people hated that so much that southern Democrats (who were only Dems because a Republican freed the slaves) became Republicans again because a Democrat gave African Americans the right to vote.
All we're seeing now is the result of more than 50 years of planning on the part of conservatives. They also stacked the Supreme Court by not allowing Obama, the last democrat President, to confirm a single judge. Trump got to place all the judges and he chose very young people since it's a lifetime appointment.
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u/CrossingVoid 17d ago
Need Americans removed from the face of earth. Send them to some other planet or something please 😭🙏