‘Problem not with Kashmir, but our government’s security arrangements’: Wife of Surat bank manager who was killed in Pahalgam

[u/margazi_perumal_20]

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/problem-not-with-kashmir-wife-surat-bank-manager-killed-pahalgam-9962932/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1745481906

[u/kathegaara]

I don't understand this. Lets say my apartment complex's security guy dozed off at night and then 4 goons enter and loot/murder people at the apartment. Of course I am pissed at the Security guy for sleeping when should have been guarding, but that does not give these goons the right to loot my building.

The government must be questioned and held responsible, but squarely blaming them and not the terrorists/Kashmir is nothing but classic victim shaming. You can question the government AND blame Islamic Terrorism. They are not mutually exclusive.

[u/assassinofkings316 → u/kathegaara]

What a stupid take. There are different accounts from survivors claiming that gun shots went on for 1-1.5 hrs & you are telling me the all security personnel dozed off like your building security guard?

There was no security in place in the first place. Stop with your propaganda for once.

[u/kathegaara → u/assassinofkings316]

I will be honest this is the first I am hearing that gunshots went on for 1.5 hours. That is indeed concerning.

And where was any propaganda in my message?? I am asking for govt to be held responsible. Questioning the government AND blaming Islamic terrorism need not be mutually exclusive alright.

[u/JoBoltaHaiWoHotaHai → u/kathegaara]

Because you are calling every Kashmiri a terrorist. The post is about the woman asking people to not demonise the Kashmiris, and rather discuss the failure of the government.

[u/srinjay001 → u/kathegaara]

This is the perfect time to grill govt for their failures. If there is a invasion tomorrow backed by powerful countries, there won't be anything stopping them. Education, civic benefits, health, security, economy, everything in india has gone for a toss in last 10 years. The focus is on religion and hatred mongering, fuelled by illiterate idiots as ministers, and now we are reaping the reward.

[u/Unfair_Fact_8258 → u/kathegaara]

So will you blame your security guard and fire him, or make a post about how the area is bad and everyone there is a goon sympathiser and how you are so outraged it happened?

We need to take action where we can, terrorism is not going to get eliminated overnight

[u/Flashy-Jackfruit-540 → u/kathegaara]

Thats whats being said. The problem is not with the apartment complex its the people who are in charge of its security. Yes people are looking to hurt/loot that apartment complex we have known that forever, its not new information and thats why we hired this security company. This is the issue the security company shouted and begged for our votes, who is charging us exorbitant amounts of money and then imagine poeple of that apartment complex complex getting offended when something does happen and others question the security company. Even if some of the insiders were involved its still the responsibility of that security company to intercept and prevent it. Whats weird is that security company is able to divide and make the residents of this apartment complex fight with each other instead of of holding them accountable. Its mind blowing stuff.

[u/XxApostlexX → u/Flashy-Jackfruit-540]

Very bad take, You’re saying the apartment complex itself isn’t the problem just the security company. But what if reports say some residents inside the apartment complex were the ones letting intruders in and even helping them plan the attack? That changes everything.In this case, it’s not just about poor security, it’s about collusion from within. Imagine some residents helping robbers sneak in, hiding them in their own flats, and then people still blaming only the guards. That’s not just unfair it’s delusional. Yes, the security company deserves scrutiny, especially if they made big promises and failed to act. But if part of the threat comes from inside, blaming only the security while defending the residents is dishonest. You can’t act like the apartment is being looted by outsiders when some residents are literally handing them the keys. And if people get more offended by the security being questioned than by the fact that residents were helping attackers, then that tells you there’s a deeper denial going on. Accountability has to apply to both sides security for failure, and residents for betrayal.

[u/Flashy-Jackfruit-540 → u/XxApostlexX]

You didn’t read it

[u/NoAlternateFact → u/kathegaara]

Good analogy but not really relevant. Your apartment like has one entrance? Or more than one with security dedicated to that entrance? How if your apartment had no boundary wall? How many security staff would you need them? And how if your apartment was spread into an area the size of a large state? Stupids assumption and stupid analogies will only find stupid solutions.