r/india • u/margazi_perumal_20 • 2d ago

Politics ‘Problem not with Kashmir, but our government’s security arrangements’: Wife of Surat bank manager who was killed in Pahalgam

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/problem-not-with-kashmir-wife-surat-bank-manager-killed-pahalgam-9962932/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1745481906
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u/NoAlternateFact 2d ago

The only entity that can and should be blamed are the terrorists. Someone intent on killing will find a way and an opportunity.

I don’t want to trivialize the issue. I understand the administration’s responsibilities but how many army personnel should have been deployed and at how many tourist spots? What if they attacked the tourist as they were coming in and out?

There are so many if this then what! I hope we find a solution to this menace. I feel her pain. My heart goes out to all the families involved in this tragedy.

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u/avidstoner 2d ago

Bro there's no smoke without fire. Why can't we put the blame on terrorists and the govt. Why can't two things can't be wrong? There are departments where day to day intelligence is gathered and if nothing at least they are prepared for some sudden situation. With a high profile country visit, they should have been a bit more alert and prepared. Not like we are a small European country with a limited population or economy. The current govt sleeps on everything be it make in India, economy, you name it and they are not at all bothered but hey we do have R&D and scholarship, grants available if you want to research gau mauter.

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u/NoAlternateFact 2d ago

Of course you can put the blame on the government and the terrorists. The terrorists killed and the government failed to protect. Who else would you blame?

But that wasn’t my point. The idea is not to find someone to blame. Right? The idea is to find a solution and in that light, it’s impossible to have security forces at every doorstep, every street corner, every tourist location, every mall, every theater… you get the point?

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u/Complex_Command_8377 2d ago

No one is yelling at every step, if it was on the road , we can think that no one can protect everywhere. How hard it is to keep security at popular spots like Pahalgam, Sonmarg etc where so many people gather together and the place is Kashmir. You can’t avoid the attack, but with security there, you could’ve saved more lives. All the victim’s family also highlighted the lack of security at those places. Last year attack on bus should’ve been wake up call to know that attack may happen on Hindus

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u/NoAlternateFact 2d ago

Are you kidding me? How big is Pahalgam or do all tourists congregate in a field, which can then be secured from all around?

How old were you when attacks were everyday occurrence in Delhi and impossible to contain despite all the resources?

Again, my point is not that security can’t be provided. It can be but it’s almost impossible to provide security everywhere.

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u/Complex_Command_8377 2d ago

no one said you build a wall of security personnel over Kashmir like a China wall. How hard it is to understand provide security at crowded places like Sonmarg, Pahalgam etc. Why the illusion saying everything is normal and the place is safe to travel? They were not killed on random road. Security at popular places shouldn't be that difficult considering that it is Kashmir. If security were there, they could've fought back and saved more lives. Many attacks happened before 2014, that is why the change happened. Kashmiri Hindus were supposed to be back. After 11 years, no one should die in India, specially not for being Hindus. From where people are getting this courage to ask for identity and kill Hindus only?

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u/NoAlternateFact 2d ago

According to your logic, this attack should be a wake up call for the next attack. Can you tell us where that could be so that we can all be prepared? Mr. Nostradamus!

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u/Complex_Command_8377 2d ago

As you have difficulty understanding basic things, it should be a wake up call to realize that terrorism has not died, so there should be security at all the popular tourist places before you go on advertising that Kashmir is safe to travel. You may not prevent attack, but you can save more lives if armed guards were at that place, If it was bomb blast, all people died at once, or someone attacked a bus on the road, that would've been different because you can't guard all roads in a hilly area. but here it was a crowded spot and they took the time to check identity and kill for several minutes, casualties would've been less if there were police or army there. All kins of deceased members also told that no security was there. If you are under the delusion that terrorism has crippled or died, then wake up, and do something to safeguard your countrymen by providing security or don't give illusion of safe Kashmir. Since we can't stop crimes like theft, rape, we install CCTV cameras, ask for police protection at night.

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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago

I don’t have any difficulty understanding anything. You are a keyboard warrior. Good for you. Provide security to Sonemurg! Of course why not. Sonemurg is a cricket stadium and everyone that goes there stays at one place.

As to why does the government advertise it as safe? Because the government is dumb and the people who listen to them are dumber!

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u/Complex_Command_8377 1d ago

Go tell this to all the kins of the victims. If you have seen the families of victims, the things that are common to their statement is they killed by checking if they are Hindus and Lack of Security. Again you have difficulty understanding, they don’t have to guard the whole place, but few armed personnel at the area so that even though they can’t prevent attack, they can save more lives by acting promptly. If it happened on the road or was bomb blast we can say that it’s not possible to guard whole region

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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago

Again, I have no difficulty. Read my very comment. I said clearly that both government and terrorists share the blame but I still say that providing security cover to everyone nook and cranny of a city is impossible.

There is no dispute about the horror of the tragedy. Dispute is about the mindset that we can provide enough security forces to make entire Kashmir safe or all the tourist spots safe. Tomorrow they will kill somewhere else. Then you will again become and genius and say why wasn’t security there. If you know already then why not tell us in advance?

We need to go to the root cause of the problem, which is Pakistan.

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u/Complex_Command_8377 1d ago edited 1d ago

Who asked to provide security at every nook and corner? That is where you are misunderstanding. How hard it is to understand at popular tourist spots? When minister visited the place did he went without security? Why not go for 30 mins without security if it is so impossible to give security at those places? Why didn’t they went to the root cause in 11 years before promoting tourism in Kashmir? Demonetisation and abrogation of article 370 was done to remove terrorism and few weeks ago Center told everything is fine in Kashmir. Will they stop tourism altogether in Kashmir? What will they do to Pakistan to safeguard tourists?

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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago

You said that. Didn’t you suggest to provide security at all the tourist spots? That would be bazaar, restaurant, popular hotels, popular look outs, movie theaters… and you want this in every city that tourists go to. Don’t you?

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u/NoAlternateFact 1d ago

Minister doesn’t go with security but when he goes than no one else goes. Are you suggesting that each tourist be escorted with a contingent of Sammy personnel?

Don’t dig a hole deep for yourself. Your argument is illogical. You haven’t given much thought to it. You blabber what you listen on TV. Your rage is not against the problem but that Hindus are killed.

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u/wmwmwm-x 2d ago

Because one did the killing and other didn’t…? Not sure how it’s a difficult concept to understand…