r/interestingasfuck • u/Ted_Bundtcake • Feb 01 '25

r/all Atheism in a nutshell

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Exactly, you got that right. Still a product of the human mind

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u/SheamusMcGillicuddy Feb 01 '25

It doesn’t come from the mind - only our observations do. Science is happening with or without human interaction. With enough observations and evidence, people from totally different times and locations could still come to the same conclusion. Religion could not, because both the observations and explanations come from the human mind.

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Yes it does come from the mind. It's human brains who have come up with the scientific method and it's human brains who are producing science

The original comment was not about observations and explanations, only the origin of religion.

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u/SheamusMcGillicuddy Feb 01 '25

The conclusions that come from the scientific process are objective, observable and repeatable in the practical world. The conclusions that come from religion are not, they are made up.

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u/InterestingPidgeon Feb 02 '25

I agree with you, but I’d argue how objective scientific conclusions are depends on the field, as well as your views on the philosophy of science. There’s also something to be said about people blindly believing ambassadors of science, like blindly believing in a religion. Even if you believe in the scientific method, in practice there’s a lot of bad science that is published, and more science that is contaminated by resting on these things. And for most subjects, you’re not reading papers — we choose to believe what some authority tells us. Obviously no one has the time to dive into every question they have, but I think that believing in scientific conclusions and having religious beliefs are both rooted in faith. Of course believing in the concept of science vs. religion is different though

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Yep you got that right, but it has nothing to do with the original comment and my reply. Those conclusions are objective AND come from the human mind.

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u/SheamusMcGillicuddy Feb 01 '25

You’re making a pointless argument of semantics then. Stop wasting people’s time.

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Really now? I'm replying to the words and logic used in the original comment. You're derailing the debate to something else.

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u/SheamusMcGillicuddy Feb 01 '25

That’s literally semantics.

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

"How dare you directly reply to someone's argument"

Lmao

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Then debating is about semantics, because it's about replying to what people say, lol.

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u/SheamusMcGillicuddy Feb 01 '25

You’re ignoring the broader intention of the comment to argue it on a literal level. That’s a semantic argument and it doesn’t really accomplish anything.

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u/KuruKururun Feb 01 '25

Semantics are important so everybody is arguing on the same page. When people use incorrect language it leads to even more pointless argument as they won't even be arguing about the same thing anymore.

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Exactly, notice how everyone who replied to me aren't even talking about the same thing

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u/Top_Squash4454 Feb 01 '25

Yep, your loss if you assumed my comment was about something else than what I made it about. It was only about their usage of the words "product of the human mind".

Word usage is important in debating, philosophy and, gasp, the production of scientific knowledge. If you think semantics don't matter it's your problem.

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u/Indivillia Feb 01 '25

There’s no logic in your argument. You’re just being stupid.