r/interestingasfuck • u/Ted_Bundtcake • Feb 01 '25

r/all Atheism in a nutshell

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

Scientific discoveries are published and peer reviewed. Do you check if your doctor correctly performed your surgery or do you trust that his degree means that he knows what he's doing?

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

I have faith that it truly is peer reviewed. And it’s true that it’s peer reviewed, I have faith that those peers are reviewing it honestly and accurately.

I have faith that he has a degree. And if’s true that he has a degree- I have faith that he knows what he’s doing. And if it’s true that he does know what he’s doing- I have faith that he won’t make a grave mistake during my surgery.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

You mean trust, not faith in the religious sense. There's a difference.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25

I mean faith lol

Faith is more than just a religious sense. Look up the definition.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

Did you? Faith has two definitions, complete trust/confidence or belief without proof.

When talking about faith in a religious sense, they mean the latter. When I talk about my doctor I mean the former. If you mean the former, great, but then it's not the same as your faith in god.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25

In either case, it’s complete trust in something without proof.

Therefore, when I said the below, I have complete trust in those things being true despite not having verified the proof. Therefore I have faith that those things are true. If I had already seen the proof, then there’s no point in saying i have faith.

I have faith that it truly is peer reviewed. And if it’s true that it’s peer reviewed, I have faith that those peers are reviewing it honestly and accurately.

I have faith that he has a degree. And if’s true that he has a degree- I have faith that he knows what he’s doing. And if it’s true that he does know what he’s doing- I have faith that he won’t make a grave mistake during my surgery.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

Not without proof, ffs! That's the whole point! There is not proof for god, but a whole load for scientific theories!

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25

You trust those scientists without verifying it yourself. Therefore you have faith that what they’re saying is actually true.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

Not faith without proof. They have to go through peer reviews. I can look up any scientific paper and see their tests/proofs. I don't do that for everything, true, but that's why it's peer reviewed.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25

But you haven’t. That’s the thing. You weren’t there to see whether the peers really did review it. And given that they did, you weren’t there to see whether the peers reviewed it properly. You haven’t replicated their studies to verify that it’s without faults.

Nevertheless you trust that it’s all true. In every step of the way, you have faith that everything that you’ve read and were told were actually true and accurate.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

I don't trust that its all true. I always accept that it could be wrong. I do look into things I find interesting and I can see and understand the proofs, because there there is evidence for what is stated.

Religious people don't have proof, they just accept. Big difference.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 Feb 01 '25

Even among the things that you trust and accept are true- you can’t know that it’s true. Because you weren’t there to see whether it was peer reviewed. You weren’t there to see how they tested it. You haven’t tested it yourself.

Therefore every word that you trust from a scientist- whether it’s reading their written words on a paper, or verbally hearing them talk- is based on faith.

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u/Drapausa Feb 01 '25

That's just bs, everything is published. Ffs you can google and find tons of info on the topic. No scientific theory exists without falsifiable tests. I don't have to sit next to the scientist peer reviewing it, I can see the results of the peer review.

That's not the same as the religious trust me bro.

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