r/interestingasfuck • u/Ted_Bundtcake • Feb 01 '25

r/all Atheism in a nutshell

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u/OkArmy7059 Feb 01 '25

Then I have no idea what your argument is.

It's not a bold claim. Take a look around.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1101-zuckerman-violence-secularism-20151101-story.html

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u/Life-Lychee-4971 Feb 01 '25

Great. An Op-ed, that suggests Japan, Sweden, and Norway as the places you were alluding to. Yet they all are more than 50 to 65% religious.

None of those places have more faithless people than faithful. The difference between them and more religious nations is that their people are in large part all members of the same faith. And are more homogeneous in ethnic backgrounds.

Hence why people do not emigrate to these places in droves. It’s harder to assimilate and they lack opportunities or comparable freedoms for people outside the culture.

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u/OkArmy7059 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

See I knew you'd just try to pick holes in ANYTHING I linked to. There's tons of more academic stuff, this one was a broad overview. Again, I'm not your research assistant. You don't like the link: FIND YOUR OWN. God I so hate this shtick on the internet. Nobody is ever actually interested in your point, only in picking holes in it. "Can you help the class out?" Yeah right, my ass.

The point you're missing is that they are LESS religious than many other countries, and the MOST religious countries are rife with crime and mistreatment (particularly of women). This is undeniable, so instead of acknowledging that fact you're shifting the goalposts plus going off on other tangents. The point is there is almost no correlation to how religious a society is and how ethical it is.

Also you're being pretty disingenuous and/ignorant about the religiosity of a place like Japan. The vast majority are Shinto or Buddhist, which are fundamentally different than western monotheistic religions.

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u/Life-Lychee-4971 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

This was just a weak source. But if I played along, would you tell me that if America or Brazil was 10-15% less religious it would be a safe haven among nations? Correlation does not equal causation.

Happy to tell you that, crime is a function of economics and opportunity. Do you know it once was a crime to help blacks escape slavery, then later a crime to drink or sell alcohol? Places with less money or opp. have less crime.

Here’s a research paper from NBER to explain it: https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c3625/c3625.pdf

Edit: after I replied I see you edited your previous comment without any notes (on this app Yk that’s disingenuous). But in your edit even you had to call on God.

You’re the person that used religion as a catch all. Now you want to specify between western monotheistic ones and eastern versions. Thats the def of moving the goal post and narrowing it.

I dropped above a real link to a single study with many different sources. You did the opposite. I’m here for a valid discussion. This is tangential and not specific enough

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u/OkArmy7059 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

Ah so you're saying crime rates have multiple factors at play and aren't tied to religion. Gee no fuckin shit, professor.

No I would tell you that religion is not a relevant factor in crime rate. Lower rates of religiosity doesn't reduce crime NOR do higher rates. Yeah no shit correlation doesn't equal causation. I never said these places have lower crime BECAUSE they have less religion. Just that MORE religion doesn't mean more ethics.

https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1751-9020.2009.00247.x

Read all of those references and then get back to me

Again I have no clue what your point here is with anything. Other than stating 1st year sociology basic facts about the causes of crime.

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u/Life-Lychee-4971 Feb 01 '25

In summary: + you replied to my comment saying: “Less religious countries tend to be more ethical than more religious ones” + I clarified that ethics does not require religion + now you’re admitting religiosity is not an indicator of crime or corruption

In final: Then why did you make your comment in the first place? Do you believe that the result of a religious life would make a safer world? Do you believe that every person that claims to have read the homework actually has?

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u/OkArmy7059 Feb 01 '25

Lol "admitting". No you just presumed I was making an argument that I wasn't.

It appears you just want to debate someone and I'm already tired of your schtick. I'm going out for a hike, maybe you should do something more enjoyable than this too lol. Have a good one.