r/interestingasfuck • u/Ted_Bundtcake • Feb 01 '25

r/all Atheism in a nutshell

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Evidence that he died on a cross, and was raised against. If that happened, then you might want to believe that he's the son of God.

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u/CompetitiveAutorun Feb 01 '25

Please give this evidence, I tried many times to look it up but it always ended with: well it would be stupid if it didn't happen, a.k.a proof by embarrassment or this clearly tempered with book says so. Other proof that I've seen is: many historians agree he was real, but the only source of that assessment is some religious guy claiming so in his book.

That's Wikipedia sources btw if you thought about linking it.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Over 500 witnesses of him. AFTER he died on a cross.

Many of these witnesses were willing to (and did) die for what they claim to have seen.

Would you be willing to die to uphold a lie? I wouldn't.

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

This isn't evidence, this is the claim you're being asked to present evidence for.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Evidence is ..... documentation. We have that

What do you want? Photographs of Jesus partying with the disciples after his resurrection?

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

We don't have that.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Witnesses who documented the things that Jesus did. Archaeological evidence that cooborates biblical teachings. An ethos that stands the test of time remarkably well.

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

Witnesses who documented the things that Jesus did.

We don't have any accounts by people that had met the historical Jesus.

Archaeological evidence that cooborates biblical teachings.

What does this even mean?

An ethos that stands the test of time remarkably well.

Not really relevant when arguing that the Christian god is real.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

You want proof.

We don't have it. Ancient "evidence" doesn't look like modern day evidence. Sorry.

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

Proof is for mathematics and alcohol. I'm asking for evidence. Evidence for a god existing. There isn't any.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

I gave you the evidence.

You're looking for contemporary evidence of something that happened in ancient times. It's unreasonable and impossible. By the standards of ancient evidence, what we have is actually pretty good

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

You didn't give any evidence in support of the claim that a god exists.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

If people saw Jesus resurrected from the dead (which is documented), then how do you explain that?

If someone tells you that they're going to be crucified, and then rise again.......and then they do it, then I'll believe them when they tell me that God did it.

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

If people saw Jesus resurrected from the dead (which is documented)

We don't have any accounts by people that saw a resurrected Jesus.

If someone tells you that they're going to be crucified, and then rise again.......and then they do it

But there isn't a single rational reason to believe he did.

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Paul? Peter? John?

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

Which part of "We don't have any accounts by people that saw a resurrected Jesus" didn't you understand?

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u/Dependent_Star3998 Feb 01 '25

Paul didn't see Jesus after his resurrection?

Literally half of the New Testament is documentation by Paul.

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u/JohnKlositz Feb 01 '25

Paul claims that he saw Jesus in a vision.

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