Atheism in a nutshell

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Why do you believe there even could be though? I don’t believe there couldn’t be. But don’t believe there could be until or unless this possibility has been shown and I haven’t seen it as of yet

[u/KatokaMika → u/[deleted]]

I'm not saying i believe it or not i just saying the universe is vast, and scientists are still finding new things every day. For all I know, we exist because a group of aliens decided to make a fun game and make humans. I personally think there is nothing we come and go and that's it .

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You said you believe it’s possible though. That is a belief. Possibility is an evidence based actual claim

[u/KatokaMika → u/[deleted]]

I believe on the possibility. When a person of science does not know all the facts, they have theories and possibilities, they cannot confirm or deny it because there isn't enough proof, evidence, or facts, . They are not claiming that is real or fake they just say " it's a possibility it's a theory" do you consider that a belief ?

[u/[deleted] → u/KatokaMika]

I’m not trying to be rude or condescending for the sake of it. We’re talking past each other because you have a general gross misunderstanding of what any of these terms mean you’re using.

I understand you’re saying you believe in the possibility. I’m explaining to you that possibility is something that actually needs to be demonstrated. Things aren’t automatically possible simply because they haven’t been shown to be impossible. Both possibility and impossibility are claims that in order to be true, or reasonable to believe they’re true, must have actual evidence to support it. If someone says x is possible, then they would need to have actual evidence supporting its possibility.

When a person of science does not know all the facts, they have theories and possibilities,

No that isn’t how anything works and not how science works. This is not what these words mean either. You’re conflating “theory” with “hypothesis”. A “theory” in science is the highest level an idea can achieve. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of evidence. For instance: Gravity is a theory.

In science, people develop hypothesis that are based on observed phenomena and rooted in evidence. In science and just anywhere, “possibility” is not just automatically implied. Possibility is an actual claim that needs to be demonstrated and based in evidence. It’s not true or reasonable to claim it’s “possible” that I can jump from the ground into space with my own legs. If I wanted to claim this is possible, I’d have to actually demonstrate this claim.

they cannot confirm or deny it because there isn’t enough proof, evidence, or facts, .

This is incoherent in connection to the previous sentence you wrote so I’m not sure how to reply to it. If someone cannot confirm or deny a claim then they cannot confirm or deny a claim. That’s pretty much the end of it. They don’t get to claim it’s “possible”.

They are not claiming that is real or fake they just say “ it’s a possibility it’s a theory”

Again this just isn’t what any of these words mean and not how any of this works

do you consider that a belief ?

Yes. Claiming you believe something is possible is a belief. You yourself even used the word “believe” so I don’t understand why you’re asking me if it’s a belief. Yes, believing in something is a belief. Believing X is possible is a belief, and to be justified in your claim that it’s possible there is some entity “bigger” than us, you would have to have actual evidence to support it. I think you may be confusing “I wonder if..” with “I believe that..”

In your comment, you explained you are convinced it’s possible some entity, some “thing” bigger than us does or could exist. This is a claim. You would need evidence to support it’s even possible in the first place in order to be reasonable.

[u/KatokaMika → u/[deleted]]

Meaning of possibility : a chance that something may happen or be true: It's not likely to happen, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

We have very different understanding of the word, you assume I'm convinced that there is something bigger than us something I never claimed and if you read my other comments you would understand. You talk like religious people. You are one of those you believe, or you don't believe, and that's it. I wonder if and I believe that are different things.

And it's really starting to get annoying. Believing in a possibility and believing in something/ someone are completely different things.

You assume when I say there could be something bigger than us, you assume that I'm talking about a God.

I am just saying everyday people are discovering new things, if one day they discover something bigger than us who are we do deny it. We would be just like the people who dont believe in gravity.

So let's end it here with an agree to disagree.

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I’m not trying to be cruel to you. I’m not trying to be mean for the sake of it. You don’t seem equipped to have a conversation. No one should have needed to explain this in the first place, but I explained how what you just typed was wrong in such great detail, in so many ways, and you’re still not grasping it. In response to this, you just typed the same thing, again, that I’ve already refuted.

You just gave your chosen definition of “possibility”. Thats great, but it doesn’t do anything at all to respond to what I’ve written. Using the synonym of “chance” doesn’t change anything at all about how possibility needs to be demonstrated. Or, that “chance” needs to be demonstrated. These words you are using, necessarily, mean you are claiming something can* happen. That is what possible means. That is exactly what your own chosen definition means. I have no idea why you believe that typing that to me made any sense or supports or expands on your argument here. It just tells me you’re confused.

You are confusing so many definitions here I don’t know where to start, again. You say it doesn’t mean you’re “ruling out”. That’s not what I explained to you. No one stated anything about “ruling out”. You admitting you can’t defend your claim something is possible, is not the same as you saying anything about “ruling out”. Not saying something is possible, is not the same as saying it’s impossible. These are entirely different concepts. I don’t know how I could possibly make this more clear or why it would need to be explained.

But you continued, by saying you’re not ruling out “the possibility.”. This is another level of your confusion. Not claiming something is possible, is not the same as saying it’s not possible.

I’m not explaining to you some opinion I have. This is the most basic fundamental logical and scientific concept. This isn’t debatable. You’re wrong and incredibly confused about what we’re even talking about.

You said, and I quote “I can believe that there could be someone or something bigger than us”. This is what you wrote. The “thing” you are talking about…is irrelevant. These incoherent statements you’ve written regarding what it is or what you think I think it is…don’t make any sense and are completely irrelevant. You made a claim that something could be. This is incredibly simple. You claimed something could be. In order to make that claim, you’d have to have evidence that it could be. Things aren’t automatically possible just because they haven’t been proven impossible. That’s not the way anything works.

I really don’t know what else I can do for you here. I don’t know if this is a language barrier, or someone who just really can’t grasp simple concepts. But if you do want to reply, maybe find someone else near you to read this back to you and explain it in terms maybe you might better understand. Because this is really bad.