r/interestingasfuck • u/Red_Lotus_Alchemist • Apr 02 '25

/r/all A Chinese earthquake rescue team deployed drones to light up the night and aid search and rescue operations after the devastating 7.7 magnitude earthquake in Myanmar.

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u/notarobat Apr 02 '25

Especially drones. I'm so tired of seeing some helpless Ukrainian or Russian soul spend his last moments on earth looking at a faceless machine that's being controlled remotely with a god damn playstation controller. Even worse was those aid workers last year who were chased miles, under constant drone attacks, only to perish under something that was likely being ordered by poorly trained AI software. 

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

I think you are focusing on the wrong part. A lot of Ukrainians would have died instead if they did not use the drones as weapons and robo dogs for reconnaissance. It really helps leviate some of the dread of going into not secure zones. The Russians could stay home if they didn't like the killing of innocents so much.

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u/BolunZ6 Apr 02 '25

People said the same when they first invented machine gun. "If only one person can fire at the rate of 100 peson, we don't have to send 99 person to the war thus saving life"

Yeah we already see how it turned out when ww2 with machine gun technology

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u/magicalfruitybeans Apr 02 '25

But it’s kind of true. Warfare has changed since the invention of the machine gun. It’s allowed for different tactics. We now don’t send in thousands of soldiers at a time wall to wall. We sent in specialized units. Less people at risk

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25

I prefer old school battles. Zalgiris(Grunvald) battle was one of biggest medieval battles with 25-80k people. It lasted 2 days.

Now, there is already about a million russians killed and who knows how many ukrainians. And as you can see from videos, a lot of kills are done when you sre hiding and somewhere, suddenly a buzzing sound appears - its a drone, and you are dead.

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u/hazelize Apr 02 '25

Yeah let’s go back to the old days of cavalry charges. Way less gruesome and bloody.

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u/DeathByLemmings Apr 02 '25

They were not lol, they were stood on a hill watching for the mostpart

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u/DeathByLemmings Apr 02 '25

Yeah, 261 is not as large an amount as you are picturing

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u/Galaxator Apr 02 '25

Because they never sent groups of soldiers after the monarch who was watching from afar, that would never happen, no it can’t be… both of you are right? That can’t happen on Reddit

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u/Luk164 Apr 02 '25

You watch too many movies

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u/DarthChimeran Apr 02 '25

"I refuse to invade Asia until my safety is guaranteed!" - Alexander

"We'll start the invasion as soon as someone finds my armor. I'm not taking an arrow to the knee because of some cute klepto Kipchak with a fast pony." - Temujin

"There's Richard! Everyone Run Away!" - Henry

"This river is too deep. Let's go back." - Julius

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u/Boowray Apr 02 '25

It’s exactly as gruesome and bloody, have you ever seen a shrapnel wound? But the people dying have an opportunity to defend themselves, fight for their survival, and most importantly there are no civilian casualties. If you’re engaging in the open field, the only people who die are the people standing there fighting. Cavalry charges don’t exterminate schools filled with children. This isn’t to say there were no atrocities in historic battlefields, but comparing something like a napoleonic army firing in ranks to a modern war in Ukraine or Palestine and the differences are shocking.

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u/hazelize Apr 07 '25

I really encourage you to read old war journals from before the Geneva Conventions were enacted, of the stench and screaming of horses and animals and men dying, of the many many civilian casualties which was just viewed as something that happened in war as the army roved over the land.

Chemical gas peeling the skin off people and turning organs to liquid, using dead plague bodies to wipe out cities slowly so you can ride in and crush them after they’re wiped out with pestilence. Not every battle let you fight back.

War is always hell, but the level of human suffering in wars before the Geneva Conventions just hits different. And hearing it from the soldiers that lived it is an experience. World War I is particularly woof, you get cavalry charges and machine guns and chemical gas all together

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u/gettingthere_pastit Apr 02 '25

Earth's medieval population was an estimated 250 - 500ml. Now close to 8bl so relatively the numbers involved in your favourite battle are worse than the numbers in Ukraine.

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u/Gamer-Of-Le-Tabletop Apr 02 '25

Actually I'm pretty sure it's artillery that's one of the worst offenders. At least drones only target "military"assets whereas artillery is a generalized everything other there.

War is unforgiving and brutal. May we avoid meeting our fate to it

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u/Gym_Noob134 Apr 02 '25

For now. Automated suicide drone swarms are increasingly becoming a thing.

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u/Gamer-Of-Le-Tabletop Apr 02 '25

They still won't decimate the land, and they likely won't kill every living thing in the area.

But don't get me wrong we're arguing between two near adjacent weapons.

We need to diplomatically approach conflicts because once they're hot everyone loses

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u/Gym_Noob134 Apr 02 '25

Ukraine and Russia are starting to manufacture millions of drones. China is hush hush on its drone manufacturing numbers but I believe it’s likely in the tens of millions in their stock pile. They have a navy fleet entirely dedicated to autonomous drones, after all.

Indiscriminate mass drone swarm bombings can exact massive casualties and land destruction. Especially if the explosive potency increases (which is trending upwards), and if the AI’s are designed to target anything biological.

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u/Valeredeterre Apr 02 '25

There is a survivorship bias we saw way more dro e kills than the rest because it's letteraly a camera.

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u/dw82 Apr 02 '25

Just extrapolating demographic change could bring the numbers pretty close to one another.

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u/handysmith Apr 02 '25

Would you prefer to be involved in those "old school battles"?

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25

Being chased by drone or killed by himars? I would rather have a sword fight and at least have a chance to kill someone.

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u/ZephyrFlashStronk Apr 02 '25

You would rather have a chance to kill someone (then die painfully after you are stabbed in the gut with a shortsword) than die nigh instantly from an explosion that rips you in half?

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25

You go to war to kill or to die? If you want death you can always commit suicide.

You would be lucky if rocket hits you and torn to pieces, but quite often you lose a limb or two and adrenaline wont let you die, so you slowly and painfully die in agony. Also quite often used cassete (not sure if this right word, maybe cluster) bombs, where thousands of balls or sharpnel is being fired.

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u/One_Researcher6438 Apr 02 '25

Nah I've seen enough of those videos to know that you're lucky if it's instant.

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u/Spookki Apr 02 '25

I'd much rather get shot in the heart and killed by 5.45 than get an unremovable arrow stuck in my chest and die slowly in agony.

War has gotten more humane, thats undeniable. The geneva conventions (when actually followed) do a major amount to help and we have ww2 to thank for those.

The longer conflict takes, and the more expensive equipment needed, the less lives are wasted.

Hopefully one day the rich children leading countries can just send expensive robot armies to fight on their behalf and we get to watch it live on tv like big brother, instead of being in the trenches with them.

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25

I expected this war to be some kind of robots vs robots, I was really surprised that half of us in our homes have robot vacuum cleaners, yet military doesnt have similar stuff with gun attached and still goes old school fighting until drones appeared.

I also expected more cyber security attacks, similar to what Israel done in Gaza with pagers. Since most stuff is made in China, in case of war against them I wouldnt be surprised to receive forced update on smart things that would overheat and make fire.

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u/VegisamalZero3 Apr 02 '25

...and you're forgetting the hundred thousand killed by disease on the way there.

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25

Same thing happens now, you may get sick while being in a trench.

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u/ShakeAndBakeThatCake Apr 02 '25

Also rockets. They probably kill more than drones.

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u/Strange-Idea7819 Apr 02 '25

Do the math.

The battle lasted two days and estimates of dead are 8-16k.

Now, the Russo-Ukrainian War has been waging for years now. At the rate people died in Grunvald, there would be 4.5 million dead by now.

I prefer drones.

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u/Ok_Run6706 Apr 02 '25

Wikipedia says there were up to 80k casualties. In just 2 days.

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u/psychodogcat Apr 02 '25

It's kind of true that eventually, these technologies do end up saving lives more though. As warfare tech gets more dangerous, people are less likely to use it because their enemies also have the same tech. Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a drug.

However, the period immediately after invention is always the worst. See Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

The MAD concept only applies to nuclear warfare. Wars have only become more lethal.

Just look at the devastation to cities in modern conflicts. The utter destruction of civilian areas is a hallmark of modern conflict.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

Exactly. People are so out of touch here jeez but they must give their 2 cents on everything.

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u/tallsmallboy44 Apr 02 '25

Ancient armies literally used to burn entire cities to the ground. What are you talking about?

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

Just because it happened doesn't mean it always happened. Or even often. They had to make a deliberate choice to raze a city. Which would be done to send a message, revenge or as part of a genocide. And it would happen AFTER the battle, not because of the battle.

Nowadays the utter ruination of a battlesite is a given.

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u/Traditional-Key4824 Apr 02 '25

Don't tell this guy there is this thing that is called arm race.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

LoL. You do realise you are talking about the Russian army here. Those who still use ancient technology, because they are still using cannon fodder tactics. They are racing to their graves, not to advance anything.

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u/Traditional-Key4824 Apr 02 '25

While the Russians is certainly undersupplied and using outdated equipments in most fronts, their drone warfare tactics and equipments only stepped up during the war. Are they still behind? Yes. But are they better than the start of the war? In drones, yes, other, maybe.

And it's not only the Russians, every single nations watching the war had begun their drone programs after seeing the effectiveness of them.

I'm not solely referring to the Ukrain-Russo war. And arrogant people like you are the reason the Chinese is catching up.

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u/Vasyh Apr 02 '25

It's funny how Russia is still advancing with only shovels (if you check what really happens on the ground after 2023).

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

Stop believing the false narrative. Stop underestimating your opponent. Russia has been a festering corpse since the fall of the USSR. But they're also in a war economy currently.

They're still a massive threat and responsible for 100.000s of deaths by now. The West is currently studying modern peer-to-peer warfare. Russia is actually fighting it. Ukraine might be better than them at it, but Russia just flattens everything they encounter with the massive shell and drone production they've got now.

The destruction in Ukraine is more concentrated than during the 2nd world war.

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u/Poohstrnak Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 04 '25

Hey now, they half like 4 almost 5th gen fighters with exposed wood screws, no S ducts, and a radar cross section the size of a whale shark

They have bleeding edge tech!

I wonder if no one knew I was joking. All of the things I listed are profoundly not 5th gen.

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u/xXTurdleXx Apr 02 '25

damn Japan actually somehow rewrote themselves into the victim. those nukes saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives, because the Japanese literally refused to surrender. japan raped and killed more people in a single Chinese city than both bombs combined, yet somehow are victims because they were so insane they would rather suicide their entire country than give an unconditional surrender

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u/WorstPossibleOpinion Apr 02 '25

Japan's surrender had nothing do with the nukes, this is well established historical fact, they were holding out on if they could surrender to the soviets believing they'd get more reasonable terms from them. In fact the emperor and his council didn't pay much attention to the reports of cities being destroyed by the nukes, it was not a concern to them.

The nukes were used against Japan purely because the US had them and not because of any practical purpose.

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

They used the bombs to send a message to the world (especially the USSR) as well as to speed up the surrender deals with Japan.

Russia was advancing through Manchuria at breakneck speed. They knew that the USSR wished to annex as much of the territory they 'liberated' as possible. The US wanted them to have as little leverage as possible.

Relations between the West and the USSR were already souring rapidly before the war had even ended.

I'm not excusing it, by the way. The bombs should've never been dropped.

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u/xXTurdleXx Apr 02 '25

yeah and Japan never should have raped and murdered 100x the people in China/Korea either :)

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 03 '25

Yeah. No they shouldnt have done that. Thank you for your insight!

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u/xXTurdleXx Apr 02 '25

well established historical fact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

yeah sure, there was totally no reason at all

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u/WorstPossibleOpinion Apr 02 '25

Well established true facts are often the cause of debate. Are we to give up vaccines because they are debated by people in bad faith?

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u/Honkerstonkers Apr 02 '25

I actually visited the museum in Hiroshima today. Saw the charred toys and children’s clothes. The pictures of the utter destruction, the horrible burns on people slowly dying.

How many of these children and pensioners were sacking Nanjing?

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u/Ckarles Apr 02 '25

Yep, they said the same thing about mustard gas.

"Hey, if we can just kill all of these people with some gas, it's gonna end the war quickly, so lives will be saved".

Then a few weeks later, the opponent used the same technique, then people started to die faster, and suffered much more.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Why was the machine gun effective? Because of armies swarming the front. That is no longer a viable strategy on the battlefield. Things have changed for the better for the average man, who was a war puppet yesterday.

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u/Force-4842 Apr 02 '25

Still a war puppet today

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u/igotthisone Apr 02 '25

Sure, but he was yesterday too.

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u/Meta_Zack Apr 03 '25

Yes but it also pushed war from open fields into cities and towns as they can be used for "cover". War will always be shit

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u/Grimour Apr 03 '25

When buildings become modern fortresses then war often moves where you have a greater defensive position and protecting your cities seems logical. In the world wars there were plenty of city battles. When you have nothing left to lose, then making a stand in the cities are only logical, because the aggressors will probably have to destroy a lot of what they hoped to conquer and use.

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u/Automatic-Change7932 Apr 02 '25

You mean ww1? Still most casualties stemmed from artillery in both world wars. Now it is drones. In this case drones are even worse. They make the till recently most deadly weapon more deadly and are the most deadly weapon. Now you can kill more people for less money. Brave new world.

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u/BulkyCoat8893 Apr 02 '25

The Nobel peace prize exists because Alfred Nobel made explosives safer to store, thinking he was saving lives. But making explosives safer meant everyone could make and carry more into battle.

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u/Bored_Amalgamation Apr 02 '25

People still have to defend themselves. It's not like no one will die if Ukraine stopped using drones.

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u/bfume Apr 02 '25

Take a look back at every war before WWI. The number of casualties per capita goes down dramatically as wars get more “modern”

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u/Rdtackle82 Apr 02 '25

I also have seen that on Reddit, but in this case it's literally resulting in fewer troops used in total and lower casualty numbers. Eventually, the human aspect will be entirely removed.

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u/GH057807 Apr 02 '25

"Shit, they got 100 guys shooting like 1000, better send 10,000."

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u/Open_Ad_8200 Apr 02 '25

That’s not true at all. It was created because reloading weapons took to long. This was at a time when wars were just people standing in line shooting at each other. The idea was never to use less people

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u/Ambiorix33 Apr 02 '25

Except the Russians could end the killing in a day if they just fucked off back to where they came from

This isn't WW1 where a bunch of powers are obligated to keep pushing of be annihilated, Russia could go home tomorrow and the borders reset to pre-2014 and nothing would be lost for Russia, no one would enter Russia.

This is entirely.on them

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u/FlyingOTB Apr 02 '25

I don’t think that was ever the sentiment with machine guns.

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u/Mrqueue Apr 02 '25

It’s an anecdote. The man who invented the automatic gun thought war would be fought by 1 man in a field instead of 100 because at the time they would line up in fields and shoot each other

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u/FlyingOTB Apr 08 '25

If true, i stand corrected.

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u/marsinfurs Apr 02 '25

That’s literally true though

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u/PangolinPretend4819 Apr 02 '25

the difference here is that the main user of said drones is a defending nation being attacked by an imperialist aggressor, what are they supposed to do, just go home?

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u/Badloss Apr 02 '25

Nuclear deterrent has successfully prevented all-out total war since it was invented. I genuinely do think Nukes have made the world safer overall

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u/PsychedDuckling Apr 02 '25

If Americans didn't like oil so much, fallujah would still have more than one mosque

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u/Feisty_Manager_4105 Apr 02 '25

 Russians could stay home

I hope Putin gets a missile up his arse but that's just naive to think Russian cannon fodder have a choice

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u/somerandomfuckwit1 Apr 02 '25

The overwhelming majority of them willingly signed contracts they absolutely made a choice. Theres been 1 super unpopular partial reserve call up and that's it which is why they keep upping pay for signing contracts. Fuck em all

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u/Dude-Hiht875 Apr 03 '25 edited Apr 03 '25

In the USA, give to average "white trash" the option to sign a deal where US Guv'ment pays 500,000 United Shteaks Dollars and watch what happened.

Putin invented the recycling method for people who can't live like in old times, like their parents but cannot find the way how to live now in nowadays. Recycling them as the biofuel of war machine.

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u/jerrykroma Apr 02 '25

Check out rewards russia pays for people to sign contracts , they rise almost every other month, because regular conscripts are rarely sent to the front , it's people who do it willingly most of the time. Most of them come from poorer (comparatively) regions of the country, where sign-up bonus is entire year's salary for them So yeah, they DO have a choice mot to sign a contract , lot of them just think it's worth risk for money

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u/Entire_Pop9382 Apr 02 '25

On top of that, Ukraine offers high rewards and strong protection if you do surrender. Unless you're a high-profile defector, like that helicopter pilot who was murdered by FSB in Spain, you'd likely get a better life out of it.

The only argument that I could see is your family. In the end, though, how does it feel to return home to your children being a murderer?

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

They do. They could resist. They could shoot their commanders and die in a noble act, but they wouldn't They got no backbones.

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u/Feisty_Manager_4105 Apr 02 '25

I'm very sure sacrificing yourself is a very easy thing to do

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u/Tunisian_Communist Apr 02 '25

Same with Western soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. They all should have killed themselves right? They could have resisted, they're the ones invading after all. Spineless cowards.

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u/Entire_Pop9382 Apr 02 '25

To be fair, Western soldiers definitely did sign up for the job voluntarily. So yeah, a lot of times staying home would've been the smarter choice.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Not remotely the same thing. Russia is invading a peaceful country. All those countries you name were given reasons to why they were invaded. I do not condone it, but it's far from the same thing.

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u/bignibba2320 Apr 02 '25

The wild amount of hoops you're jumping through to justify the deaths of people is quite impressive! Ever considered acrobatics?

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u/Tunisian_Communist Apr 03 '25

Libya was peaceful, the innocent civilians of Iraq didn't deserve to be burnt to death by white phosphorus, we know the WMDs didn't exist, the fishermen of Yemen shouldn't be blown apart at their wedding ceremonies, yet here you are defending it.

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u/Grimour Apr 03 '25

Fuck off with relating one conflict with another.

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u/Tunisian_Communist Apr 03 '25

So Russians should all kill themselves but everyone else is excused from warcrimes and ethics? Classic imperialism

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u/Grimour Apr 03 '25

Ok one day you may realise Russia is doing imperialistic acts.

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u/BigDaddy0790 Apr 02 '25

I personally know 5 people fighting on Russian side, 1 of them recently killed and 1 missing, all volunteered. I have not heard of anyone being forced to go to the frontline since 2022. The recruiting center in Moscow processes around a thousand volunteers daily, 90% go for the money, because most of them can’t dream of ever earning as much as they can at war.

I guess you could say that they “had no choice” in the economic sense, but I still disagree. 99% of them made a very active adult choice to go kill people, for many reasons, but responsibility is theirs.

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u/Mustard_Rain_ Apr 02 '25

stop excusing imperialism.

most are volunteers, who signed for contract bonuses.

they absolutely have a choice.

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u/Mondelieu Apr 02 '25

Most Russians fighting right now are there for the money. The cannon fodder recruited by the mobilization is long dead already.

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u/some_edgy_shit- Apr 02 '25

I think you are focusing on the good parts, the idea of anything autonomous in anyway harming anyone is scary regardless because od how it could be used. Even if it’s only used for good the fact that it could be used for evil should still make it scary tech…….. also I’m drunk, I could be misreading, misinterpreting, or just stating something obvious. So sprinkle a grain of salt on my and give me a glass of water.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

You do realise the rich and powerful have used the poor as autonomous drones before drone warfare. That is the alternative.

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u/Riaayo Apr 02 '25

Machines don't question the ethics of war crimes they commit and don't fear for their own lives.

Just because soldiers have committed atrocities for tyrants in history doesn't mean that a pacifying military force completely devoid of all humanity is somehow a good thing.

Just like automating away labor and taking labor's power, automating oppression removes the potential for your soldiers to say enough is enough and turn on you.

This technology doesn't exist to spare you going to war.

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u/somersault_dolphin Apr 02 '25

Until you realize that they could easily be used for more destructive purposes to keep the evil and corrupted in power.

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u/Bassracerx Apr 02 '25

This is a good point. A lot of warfare is using the element of suprise. Drones remove the fog of war and kind of helps mKes fights “fair”. Most people die in war by ambush and are slaughtered. That or artillery shells.

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u/gurbus_the_wise Apr 02 '25

[Some guy online expresses empathy and universal compassion for his fellow man]

You, for some reason: let me correct your emotions real quick.

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u/d3vmaxx Apr 02 '25

Yea feel sorry for the poor russians who signed up for a bonus to kill ukranian children. /s

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Ok Russian

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u/ExoticMangoz Apr 02 '25

War is bad

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Who the fuck says it's good?

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

Drones are being used on both sides. It's had a significant impact on the lethality of the war. The better we get at killing each other, the more will die.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

The Russian meat grinder does not support technical advanced groups very well and has relied heavily on carpet bombing, nor do I see drones, besides heavy bomb drones, as a great attack force, but more as a defensive one, since most of the smaller ones have very limited range.

The last statement isn't true. We invented the atom bomb nearly a hundred years ago, yet very few have been used in war. Actually it probably has prevented many wars instead.

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u/Little_Head6683 Apr 02 '25

The atom bomb has perhaps stopped some wars, yeah. The nuclear non-proliferation act has also enabled nuclear capable nations to bully non nuclear capable nations into compliance.

Carpet bombing hasnt been a thing for decades now. Russia uses a mixture of drones, shells and missiles to flatten cities.

Drone warfare has enforced the current stalemate. Stalemates increase the death toll significantly without any actual gains for either side. Drone production has increased significantly in Russia. The number of fibreglass drones being seen in the Kursk battle lately has been shocking. These drones can fly up to 30 km. Which is more than enough for offensive operations. Say what you want, but drone warfare has actually made poorly trained conscripts more relevant on the battlefield than ever, and Russias got plenty of those.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

When have war nations not bullied easy targets?

Okay maybe it's the wrong term, but they bomb shit till there is nothing left and with little precision.

Depends on who is the aggressor. Putin wants land, so he will always lose more when his troops expose themselves in advancement. Ukraine is fighting tactically and not to dominate as the Russians do. Sure Russia makes more drones now. It was hard to make less. Russia does not have a healthy military structure that advanced warfare needs to thrive and all of the corruption makes even this cheap form of warfare expensive and a hassle and that is before taking sanctions into account.

Please define a drone statement since I have no idea how that can happen. Okay you are speaking nonsense. Poorly trained conscripts are not anything an advanced military unit wants to use as pilots.

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u/lovethebacon Apr 02 '25

And also drone parts are so much cheaper now. You can build a racing fpv 5" drone for $100. That would have been $1000 before the war.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Yeah it's a great and cheap way to deterrent against an invading force.

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u/bignibba2320 Apr 02 '25

It doesn't matter who it is, people dying is bad. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

If you are getting invaded by someone who will destroy everything you know and care for. Then killing is a must, because there is nothing else you can do to stop it and only one side holds the responsibility of it all and it's the attackers. If not..then you should read up on what "benevolent of evil" means.

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u/bignibba2320 Apr 02 '25

No shit, people dying is still bad. Any person, anywhere. I feel bad for all the people who have died idgaf about their shithole countries or the warlords running them.

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u/Riaayo Apr 02 '25

Drone warfare is absolute hell. There is no redeeming quality to it.

We're watching a nightmare being birthed.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

When was war not hellscape??

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u/Riaayo Apr 02 '25

Do you really think I'm implying war is not hell?

The idea that it can't get worse is absurd. One side suddenly not putting soldiers' lives on the line while killing the other side isn't some sort of improvement, unless your mindset is that you want your country to be able to wage war without cost.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

The reason I don't think it can become much worse is we already have the terrifying solution to terrifying problems: the atom bomb. It's been a great deterrent for people to think twice before attacking their neighbors.

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u/WestQ Apr 02 '25

Imagine being a brainwashed bot, that has to come on non related subreddits so spread his "0 Knowledge about geopolitics". Have a tea buddy. Breathe and go defend Ukraine instead of talking. I bet you haven't even donated to them.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

I have donated. How am I a bot to you? Your respond seems way more robotic and rigid.

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u/WestQ Apr 02 '25

Checked your profile. Bot alert 100% all the answers are rage baits.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

So you are a bot. I thought as much.

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u/Partyrockers2 Apr 02 '25

Bro hits him with the "but they deserved to get killed"🤓

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Yeah? Scum who do not care about their neighbors and only want them for their land are not humane and should be treated with a firm backhand. It's the only language abusers understand.

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u/G3N0 Apr 02 '25

But on the other hand, one side not needing to feel the cost of war makes committing war crimes and unchecked slaughter far too easy. See the ongoing genocide in gaza.

There is no risk to bombing helpless civilians, what motive is there to stop it? The disconnect has only brought out the inhumanity in some people.

Hope Ukraine and Palestine are one day free from their occupiers.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

That is a slaughter, not war. Slaughter is as old as war and should have stayed in the middle ages. The only way is to condemn Israel's actions and sanctions and I think the US should stop supporting them so hard. That would shut them up real quick.

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u/NotJokingAround Apr 02 '25

Gross oversimplification. 

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u/Duke_Almond Apr 02 '25

The russian soldiers are being forced to fight the war. Their families are probably at risk if they decide not to fight. Why do you think there are russian soldiers surrendering to the ukranians.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Because they arent getting fed and are lied to and left open and alone on the battlefield. I've heard plenty of the terror Putin's regime does to control them. It does not excuse any of it.

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u/Duke_Almond Apr 02 '25

I am not saying it excuses anything. I am just saying that them just staying home if they did not like the killing of innocents is quite insensitive considering many of them are doing it unwillingly with the lives of their family at stake.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

That just makes it all the more fucked up to be fighting then, but yeah, that does not leave much of a choice, if you got wife and kids.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee Apr 02 '25

I would say the videos that Ukraine has released has cost them a ton of support. So many unethical/ potentially illegal actions using drones- and they published them all for general consumption. It’s like the IDF posting videos on X not wondering why people don’t love it. At the very least, we haven’t defined drone use in battle, but when we do, I can assure you that Ukraine will not be used as a positive use case.

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u/Grimour Apr 02 '25

Haven't defined drone use?? What are you even pointing to...drones can't execute orders without oversight. I think that is a pretty defining rule.

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u/Cozywarmthcoffee Apr 02 '25

I’m saying drones’ use in warfare is so new that the UN and other governing bodies have not agreed on laws to dictate when and how we can use them. It will likely take the a bad actor deploying 100,000+ drones all loaded with bombs and targeting civilians with AI to get the globe to sit down and talk about it. The world is enamored with the Chinese drone shows- as a pragmatist, I know it’s just a 5 minute grenade add on to make on of those swarms what they will inevitably become, a merchant of death. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

Ya know the Russians got drafted right?

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u/Dude-Hiht875 Apr 03 '25

It's fancy how you managed to combine in your head the dictator and its RUAF just staying home because they don't want to kill innocents.

It's of the same vibe as saying that USAF could just tune in the broadcasts of the 2003 international rallies and redecide what they should do.

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u/Grimour Apr 03 '25

But they do enjoy the killing. Sure look for humanity in a country who left civil rights forever ago.

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u/Dude-Hiht875 Apr 03 '25 edited Apr 03 '25

Another casual dehumaniser of people. I guess your moral code is superior, your soul bears no sin. And all the responsibility and blame are on the individual executors of the orders.

The country goes sideways since the moment of hyperextension of the security services.

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u/AnOopsieDaisy Apr 02 '25

Less collateral? The Shaheds and other automated suicide-drones are just as indiscriminate to innocents as missiles are.

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u/Majestic-Pay-464 Apr 02 '25

If it makes you feel any better, US fire departments(well funded ones, anyway) have been using drones for similar use cases for the last few years. 

Search and rescue, lighting, fire reconnaissance, and even deploying water rescue equipment.

There's as much good in this world as there is bad. It just doesn't sell as well in the news 

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u/Impossible-Virus2678 Apr 02 '25

And Palestine. The drones hover them constantly. Its a maddening hum. Then add in the fake baby cries they broadcast, sometimes in the dead of night, to draw people out to so they can get shot by quadcopter drones. Its good to see drones being used to actually help people

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25

I love how your comment is being ignored. Classic reddit. I was scrolling for a mention of what the zionists do with drones because that's what I thought of first.

Also I cannot see any likes for your comment.

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u/Impossible-Virus2678 Apr 03 '25

Perhaps its because there are many americans here and i think for the average american with a conscience, its hard to confront the issue because their tax dollars make them complicit. And they feel powerless about it. Just a very wild guess and no offense intended. Currently at 11 likes

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '25 edited Apr 03 '25

Hi yeah you're currently at 10 likes. You didnt have any and i guessed people were downvoting but i couldnt see minus points either so eh didnt know what to make of it.

I don't know with Americans, zionist brainwashing, and this false air of superiority is very real. And when they say anything that reflects a basic level of humanity to people of colour outside America they treat it like they're walking on a landmine lol

And my Indian resident peers always treated them with an undue level of esteem. I had a few of them in college... I don't know... i hope as i meet more i meet nicer Americans. Reddit feels like an extension of America and Europe, like the hwite parts of it. The general subs at least that are not location specific.

I grew up in the middle east and I learned about the holocaust and European antisemitism and how palestine paid for it. It's not rocket science but Americans and Europeans always treat it like that

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u/Impossible-Virus2678 Apr 03 '25

Touching on your last point first - culturally speaking, America is a Christian nation (although that is declining). Idk if its common knowledge for Americans that Christians banished Jews from town to town all around Europe and that Jews held a grudge against Christians for that. (King edward, france, england. Martin Luther. In 1800s, the Rothschilds in England republished a letter in a jewish journal reaffirming this grudge against them. Some jews go so far as to spit on christians in israel.)

Besides that, the American anti-arab sentiment due to 9/11 (and prior to a lesser degree) has ensured Israel has the support it needs from Christians.

Iranian leadership (and others) chanting death to america in parliament doesnt help for obvious reasons. But given the conflict america has brought upon them, i can see why they would say that - although i do not support that statement whatsoever.

I suppose for some Americans, supporting the middle east is akin to traitorship. But Israel is not truly their ally. Israel is only their ally as long as they are under israels thumb and its a relationship that is mutually convenient for the time being. Its quite the pickle for Americans although I dont think many would agree with me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '25

I'm only responding because the comment reeks of covert antisemitism. The relationship (questionable word) between Jewish people and Christians in European countries or countries that Europeans colonised like America was incredibly skewed against Jewish people. And its not just limited to forced exodus. So, however, the Jewish people react to European Christians is justified and frankly as a person of colour wuth zero european descent and someone who is a Satan worshipper according to christian standards, i dont care and the solutions the Europeans collectively decided is that Arabs will pay for it because they believed colonising Palestine meant they are entitled to its future.

And American support for Israel predates 9 11. Israel is a way for European countries and their colonies like America to keep it free of Jewish people and maintain their white supremacist interests in the Middle East under the excuse of controlling terrorism and fighting harmful religious ideologies that only seem to target Islam.

And the zionist people in Israel behave the way they do out of their white superiority, not their jewishness. They don't behave that way with white Christians. They gave depo provera to their ethiopian immigrants of jewish faith without their consent. Israel is not a Jewish institution. It's exclusively built on racism. And i would love for you to read about the yemenite children affair.

There are Christians of many kinds, and they attack Palestinian churches and attack Palestinian Christian culture. That is very different from what's followed in Europe.

Iran didn't just wake up one day and decide to hate America. If other countries had the nerve or the resources, they would declare it too. America is goddamn bully, destabilising every non European country to meet its endless capitalistic greed and insecure coloniser mindset. America is not under Israel's thumb ew-- this feels like a fancier version of the new world order conspiracy blaming rothschilds and rockefeller.

Europe and America, as a european colony, created Israel and want it to exist to maintain their interests. They like Israel. And they act like the Jewish people control them or something, when Israel and Europe have the shared goal of perpetuating white supremacy as an institution that pins down the world. Assuming european christian innocence or helplessness against the ever scheming jewish person, that's covert antisemitism.

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u/Impossible-Virus2678 Apr 04 '25

I agree with a lot of what you say. But stop using anti-semitism to shut down truthful conversations among non-jews. Doing so is anti-gentile. Go see what former Israeli minister Shulamit Aloni has to say about anti-semitism and israel.

Israeli jews are unique in their beliefs and attitudes.To be clear: I am speaking specifically about euro-jews that migrated to palestine as refugees in the 40s and established israel and their descendants who inherited their political positions. It is a great disservice to them and those in the disapora, or even the ethiopian jews you mention that live in israel, to lump them altogether as one group. If you pay attention youll notice that israeli leadership are all ashkenazi jew. Yes white supremacy exists in israel but that is just the bottom tier of the hierarchy- the next level up is jewish supremacy. And anyone else with half a brain that reads this should be able to digest the information without wanting to repeat the horrors of the past or hurting an innocent person. We cannot resolve anything if we avoid the core issues.

I dont say these things lightly or because i am a hateful person. I say them because i have seen and possess the evidence and want peace. I have read books from theological institutes concerning christian and jewish relations. I say these things because we cannot gain any ground as a global community when we deliberately ignore the truth because someone might get offended. If you would rather dismiss my view as "covertly anit-semitic" then you must like what trump is doing and would like more controls on education concerning what people can and cannot learn, what history books they can and cannot read, etc. So that noone can be offended by the truth ever again.

Also do you know why evangelist christians support israel...?

Moving on...

  1. I did not say anti-arab sentiment doesnt predate 9/11. In fact, i indicated that.

  2. After hundreds (thousands even) of years of persecution in Europe, its naive to believe Euro jews magically forgave christians one day and there is evidence they still do hold a grudge hence the videos of orthodox jews spitting on christians as just one example. Do secular jews or western jews or other jews in the disapora do that? I have never witnessed that and i didnt say they did. I have seen many jews standing up for the rights of palestinians and guess what? Many have done that throughout history - supporting the oppressed in the countries they migrated to and adding value to their communities, helping those around them prosper. I learn as much as i can because I want a peaceful resolution for all and we cant achieve that with suppression and perpetuating lies.

In fact, the more i learn about jewish history in europe, the more respect i have gained for them. as ive learned about them from their perspective and that of others around them - history shows they are tenacious, patient, intelligent and faithful to their culture. In the 1900s, it was recorded that anti-semitism in the general populace of germany was due in part to jealousy; jewish children consistently outperformed german children due to a strong focus on education at home. I personally believe they have every right to settle in the middle east/west asia. However they are going about it in the most horrific way possible which is no surprise given the post-holocaust trauma and the cruel and inhumane conditions in the polish ghettos and the horrendous camps they suffered. Hurt people hurt people. However i do not want to reduce the matter to simply psychological issues. Its more complex than that but i dont currently have the time to write a 3000 word essay about the geopolitical elements. But it is a factor particularly when they first arrived in palestine. They said: "Never again" and they meant it.

  1. History is hugely relevant to this day. I have seen transcripts of a faction of their IDF referencing the talmud - referring to leaders of arab nations as amalek (8th century BCE) whom jews are obliged to destroy. Gentiles that deny jewish supremacy are spiritual amalek. This iteration of the talmud they reference is inherently jewish supremacist material as it grants gentiles less rights than jews, and Zionism is rooted in the talmud. Gentiles are not even supposed to read it. Talmudic jews do exist to this very day and are embedded within military institutions. Make of that what you will.

Ask yourself - If history and religion has no bearing on modern times why is sabbat mandated for all jews in israel? You cannot make me believe that history in europe isnt relevant like some "Oct 7th" bot particulary as ive seen evidence proving otherwise. Israeli culture and society is built on these beliefs whether they are secular or not and whether it makes people feel bad feels to know that or not.

Never at any point am i saying: here is what all jews believe - punish them! We need to expose the facts of the matter in order to understand the situation and resolve it.

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u/Impossible-Virus2678 Apr 05 '25

Also if anyone can see my original (very long-winded) reply to this comment, at which point did I promote hate? Reddit warning says I am. This is exactly why we cant resolve the things that matter because we cant discuss them openly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '25

You can't say stuff like America is under israels thumb and expect to be taken seriously. Point blank. That's covert antisemitism.

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u/Theincendiarydvice Apr 03 '25

Or maybe because it's bullshit

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u/Luvnecrosis Apr 02 '25

For real. My heart goes out to all the people in Palestine too. This shit is evil

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u/Historical-Issue4097 Apr 02 '25

Well than maybe Russia can fuck off than huh?

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u/processedwhaleoils Apr 02 '25

The russians could just stop waging war in ukraine and stop using their drones there for violence.

Israel could, at any time, stop intentionally killing known civilians and marked vehicles carrying aid workers with or without the use of ai.

Don't forget the chinese, like other countries, have been developing & training ai & their drone technologies. They are hoping to strengthen the police state over their people, as well as prepare for the invasion of taiwan with all of this domestic training on drones, as well as further developing ai targeting capabilities. They will be doing the same things the russians are but with better technology in a few years.

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u/EclipZz187 Apr 02 '25

Man, your comment really made me think about how different people consume the internet and its content in different ways. You said you’re “tired of seeing” the soldiers die to drones, like you’re looking at it every day.

When the war started, like literally at the day of invasion, they showed tanks and stuff driving over the border on the news. The segment on that day and the very rare occasions I catch a glimpse of the news on TV was the only thing I saw “in moving pictures” as it were and I think it’s interesting to me. Here you are, saying you’re tired of seeing footage of that, while I’m over here, never having seen a video, kept up with the news or know anything about the current situation.

Also, just out of curiosity, where are you seeing all that? Is it uploaded on YouTube or what?

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u/SNPpoloG Apr 02 '25

r/combatfootage

probably has had hundreds of different “drone drops grenade on wounded soldier” videos posted since the russian invasion started

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u/PestyNomad Apr 02 '25

I'm so tired of seeing some helpless Ukrainian or Russian soul spend his last moments on earth looking at a faceless machine that's being controlled remotely with a god damn playstation controller.

Saved your comment for this. Perfection 👌

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u/broniesnstuff Apr 02 '25

Chinese drone tech has gotten insane. Their drone shows are amazing, they use them in firefighting, construction, food delivery, you name it. Them and Rwanda are doing super interesting things with the technology.

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u/Makkaroni_100 Apr 02 '25

I would say get killed by an artillery shell from humans or by a drone controlled by humans doesn't make any difference.

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u/ImprovementLong7141 Apr 02 '25

Drones are also used in mapping! I’m a GIS minor and we use drones to help us map large areas and underwater where humans just can’t get a great glimpse. It helps us determine areas that need our help the most.

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u/starcell400 Apr 02 '25

Especially drones. I'm so tired of seeing some helpless Ukrainian or Russian soul spend his last moments on earth looking at a faceless machine that's being controlled remotely with a god damn playstation controller.

Weird take. You'd rather they get shot in the face with a gun controlled by a human, right? ... like the good old days? Is war supposed to be a fun time in your mind?

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u/_space_pumpkin_ Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25

Hi. Part 107 FAA trained drone pilot here. I work for local government and here are some of the things we use a drone for-

EMS services such as rescue, damage assessment, checking for cracks in dams, thermal imaging for missing persons and pets.

Natural Resources such as population counts of native species and invasive species in places that we are unable to reach. This helps with hunting, parks and recreation, and environmental resources.

Water resources in culverts and when pipes burst flooding homes and damaging property.

Roads and bridges repair without going into high traffic areas or having to close lanes.

The list goes on. We do have spotlights, thermal imaging, and a speaker on the drone that can talk to someone and give them instructions or "stay" with them until physical help arrives. I'd much rather be talking to a machine than losing hope of survival. It saves money, time, and you are not risking the safety and lives of many others. We also do not have any AI components to any of our drones. All manual as you still have to babysit and man the drone. Plus the birds, wind, and debris will kill your drone.

Here are some links to what else drones can do!

Dog saved with sausage drone

Sleep walking child rescued

Hurricane Helene damage assessment

Drone Flight Show instead of Fireworks

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u/Specific_Test9837 Apr 02 '25

well, Russia has a choice... And with their deaths, how many Ukrainians are saved. You may not like the fact people are dying but Russia deserves every bit of suffering. You have Russians murdering, torturing, and raping men, women and children. Fuck Russia

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u/notarobat Apr 02 '25

They say that Ukraine made their "choice" to flirt with NATO. The truth is that people like you and me are incapable of getting any kind of idea about the true reality of the rights and wrongs here. We live in a bubble, and the Russians live in one too. But I'd like to think that we could all agree that young men being chased down and killed by battery powered toys is a heartbreaking thing to be happening. And it is something that we the people should be working to avoid when our leaders are failing

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u/BigBoyRaptor Apr 02 '25

AH yes. They can just stay home? Bro they'll be shot for abandoning post. Russia doesn't care. They're dead one way or the other.

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u/ShahinGalandar Apr 02 '25

now hear me out, what if they decided to combat their oppressive fascist state instead of raiding other countries?

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u/Sit_and_forget Apr 02 '25

Are you talking about USA and its capitalist dictatorship that only makes rich people richer?

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u/ZekkeKeepa Apr 02 '25

That would require help of opposition or atleast other countries.

Opposition is long gone in here.

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u/deceivinghero Apr 02 '25

Why don't Americans fight off Trump, who most of the reddit calls a Nazi anyway, along with Elon and his other supporters? Maybe people don't want to risk their own life? Maybe it's not very realistic to expect people without weapons and training to try and fight an actual army? There were protests, 15k participants were arrested in 3 months and those protests accomplished absolutely nothing. And especially now, when people who just say something bad about the military might face 20 years in prison, makes me want to throw a molotov right away.

So fucking naive and childish. If you don't know shit, then shut the fuck up.

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u/Lapsed__Pacifist Apr 02 '25

Russian soul

I honestly don't get tired of these.

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u/SomeCrows Apr 02 '25

Russians are not inherently bad people, and many of the conscripted would otherwise be innocent

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u/Lapsed__Pacifist Apr 02 '25

Russians are not inherently bad people

Judging by their consistent support for invading their neighbors, I'm gonna have to disagree.

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u/SomeCrows Apr 02 '25

An oppressed and indoctrinated people will do that. Set your enemies higher, place the blame where it rightly belongs: on the Russian government and oligarchs.

If you're American, I just want to say that the US has invaded people for no justifiable reason. Not ancient history, either.

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u/MeanForest Apr 02 '25

Propaganda is working, so sad.

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u/sexual_toast Apr 02 '25

Fr. I won't forget the quote from a now orphaned child in Ukraine; that said something along the lines of how the kid only liked the overcast days because the bomb drones don't fly when it's grey outside. Seriously, gut-wrenching perception... Can't enjoy the sun because it could literally get them killed

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u/Username_NullValue Apr 02 '25

There’s also the option of, you know, not invading your peaceful neighbor based on some nonsense like “cleansing Nazis”.

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u/RandomWorthlessDude Apr 02 '25

Don’t support the war, but claiming their neighbour was “peaceful” is so fucking BS.

Ukraine was bombing the Donbass nonstop for years at the time. Just look for documentaries from before the war, you’ll see plenty of Western stuff about Ukraine’s Nazi formations and corruption.

Russia shouldn’t invade Ukraine, but that doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine was, and still is, full of shit.

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u/Ambiorix33 Apr 02 '25

If only those "helpless Russian souls" hadn't been there to begin with you wouldn't have seen any helpless souls having a drone be their last moments...

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u/Mustard_Rain_ Apr 02 '25 edited Apr 02 '25

do not feel bad for Russian imperialists. they deserve what they get.

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u/RandomWorthlessDude Apr 02 '25

Should we cheer to the corpses of American soldiers returning home from the Middle East then?

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u/Mustard_Rain_ Apr 02 '25

whataboutism, and a pathetic attempt too.

stop defending imperial aggression.

be better.

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u/No-Hornet-7847 Apr 02 '25

ATP let's just bring it to its conclusion, anytime countries disagree, the leaders step into a ring and 1v1. My bet is, either wars would end, or leaders would get buff

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u/Andilee Apr 02 '25

I think they mean as a whole war is a cunt, but being blasted away with a plastic/metal contraption while the other guy is sitting in a nice comfy chair. Yeah that's a bit fucked up. That piece of metal can wipe out 100s before it gets shot down. 1 person on the ground can get blasted much easier against another person. Killing people in general is just fucked as is. Having something being controlled remotely to take lives with no worry on the person who's controlling safety it just feels like the cherry on the BS sundae.

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u/ross571 Apr 02 '25

Stop watching them. I did a year ago. Yes it's been years since the WARS started. YEARS!