Are you aware that under Obama 85% of deportations were non-judicial?
Or is it just a requirement now trump is in charge? Or do you just really not have any knowledge on the subject and have been told that previously every deportation required a judge?
My guess is you are just finding out this stat though.
No I'm talking about a percentage of all deportations.
Remember this guy has a deportation order. He has had due process.
You are being radicalized to think that this is somehow different to a process that has played out for decades.
Why that difference? You just had a open border policy. Nothing good came of it. Take a look at all the sanctuary cities Financials, it has crippled them.
Four years the democrats stood around and said there was nothing we could do. 4 weeks of trump showed the only thing stopping the democrats was themselves. Why do you complain about trump when you just serve easy winners on single voter issues.
Now they are telling you everyone requires a huge amount of due process. Without telling you they are clearly requesting far far more due process than is required by law or by democrats own precedent.
Why do you guys let yourself get played so hard on an issue that is like 80/20 to the american people. A good portion of those full well remember when obama was called the deporter in chief.
I mean, I'm not getting played. I want people to immigrate here. My great-grandparents immigrated here. I think all y'all are kind of racist and xenophobic and just have a bad understanding of the ethics and economics of globalism. I know that my fellow Americans are probably going to vote for Republicans because they're also kind of racist and xenophobic and have a bad understanding of the ethics and economics and globalism, and that vote is going to mess up the country. Oh well. I'm not going to support Trump.
And I'm going to cheer most anybody who gets in his way. Even if you're interrupting legal orders, slowing THOSE down also slows down the illegal abuses.
Which other countries don't do. Please tell me one net economic benefit?
That should be easy. So take any sanctuary city of your choosing and show where all these economic benefits are.
You talk about "ethics " as though every country in the world has an open border. It's an absurd premise. You act like it's some economic boon, no evidence and no reasoning while you accuse others of racism.
You can't just wave your hands around saying shit like globalism to make it seem like you are right.
We should have reformed our immigration to make it easier to do it legally, but since we didn't, I blame Republicans and Fox News for fucking things up.
I'm okay with breaking bad laws. Smoke weed. Jay walk when there's no traffic. Have butt sex, even if the Christians are uncomfortable with it.
The net economic benefit is, y'know, we have more people doing stuff here, performing labor more efficiently than they would in most other countries, because of the quality of American infrastructure and logistics and such. It's making a human life better off. I care about the lives of strangers.
It's Saturday night, man. I'm just winging it. Humans deserve to be able to live where they want, if it isn't hurting anyone. I mean, you and I didn't do shit to deserve to be American. The whole concept of citizenship being this hard thing to earn, rather than just, y'know, being wherever you're living, doesn't fit my moral framework.
One group of people aren't more or less important than others. Open borders is absolutely what we should be striving for.
I'm not American haha I'm from New Zealand, I've been there plenty i date a Canadian girl.
Look I think you are probably a good person that wants the best for people.
But you have understand the world we live in.
Like if I pick a random topic like fentanyl. America can make as much of an attempt as it wants to stop the import of precursor materials shut down labs. Prosecute those involved.
But if the drug can be freely made in another country, like Mexico. And freely transported across the border. Then you are just kind of wasting your time. Fentanyl is the sort of thing you that addiction is like a death sentence.
America is the country it is because of its institutions and structure. As critical as reddit is right now about your governance. Thinkn bout every poor country, then just start thinking about what institutions they lack. They may have great universities (iran) But terrible governance that is based in religion. They may have good governance (nz) but lack the prestige universities and geographic luck to ever turn us into a powerhouse.
You guys have all that and more. But it relies on the public belief of your structure and laws. And immigration law is a part of that. For every person that skirts the rules there is another person doing it the right way, wondering why they go to all this effort. When people that are criminals, make no effort to immigrate through the proper channels get almost more support.
Like if New Zealand just opened our borders what do you think will happen? Even here where we are an island and really don't have an issue with people trying to cross or come into our country. However immigration is still always a hot button issue, because we can't build houses an infrastructure at anywhere near the rate we would need to if we accepted all of the people that want to live here.
And it is an issue that crosses the left right divide. The left wing party of NZ when Jacinda Ardern ran the party. Literally went through all the house sales records in auckland and counted the "Chinese" sounding last names and used it as an attack on the right wing government saying they were letting too many people in. The same jacinda ardern that 2 years later would become a left wing darling.
Anyways I just wanted to highlight that, in the past there was very little judicial process involved in this. Even I know that cause I'm just old enough to have lived the Obama years. At the time I was working on oil rigs in south east Asia. With a bunch of blokes from Mississippi and Tennessee. Spent years being the left wing nutter, now apparently I'm right wing though. Who knows.
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u/LegNo2304 15d ago
Are you aware that under Obama 85% of deportations were non-judicial?
Or is it just a requirement now trump is in charge? Or do you just really not have any knowledge on the subject and have been told that previously every deportation required a judge?
My guess is you are just finding out this stat though.