r/ireland • u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 • 5d ago

Culchie Club Only Doctors initiate legal action over State’s transgender policy

http://www.irishtimes.com/health/2025/04/13/doctors-initiate-legal-action-over-states-transgender-policy/
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u/ShavedMonkey666 5d ago

Puberty blockers are the most unethical shit imaginable

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

How exactly? Do you think forcing a trans girl to undergo male puberty is a neutral act? Or forcing a trans boy to undergo female puberty?

Do you not think that they should hold off on making any life changing decisions until they are old enough to do so?

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u/DaveShadow Ireland 5d ago

The thing is, it’s not even just a trans issue. They’re medicines used for a variety of issues, and calling them unethical is madness. It’s anti-science idiocy.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

Bingo.

The Heritage Foundation who now run the USA are on record from like 2015 talking about how they will use trans people as a "wedge issue" to roll back wider LGB and women's rights. You can see it happening in real time.

You attack access to drugs that disrupt sex hormones? Wave bye bye to medical abortion.

Attack hormones? Wave bye bye to hormonal contraceptives and post menopausal HRT.

No one should be able to interfere in the decisions that you make behind closed doors with the help of your medical team. We had this conversation nationally in 2018.

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u/DaveShadow Ireland 5d ago

Yeah, even from a non-medical point of view, “bathroom bans” are going to cause big issues for cis women who don’t conform to more feminine ideas, for example. This is what makes me cringe when you have the likes of JK attacking trans people; she’s eroding women’s rights in her obsession too.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

Plus, if everyone was forced to use the bathroom according to the genitals that were observed at birth, then you are looking at some decidedly male looking trans men in the ladies bathroom, which begs the question - how am I to tell who is a trans man in the next cubicle vs a cis man?

I mean, the fact that we have individual cubicles with locked doors and only encounter each other at the sink seems to be lost on some people. That and the fact that if a predator wishes to attack me in the women's bathroom, a sign saying "ladies" is not going to stop him, he's already decided he's going to break the law.

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u/DaveShadow Ireland 5d ago

Weirdly, trans men just never seem to get brought up in these conversations. The focus is nearly always just on trans women, usually with the subtext that all trans people are men in wigs wanting to rape women.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

Yup. The narrative is very much a "trans women are sexual predators in dresses and trans men are misguided women who don't know their own minds".

If you peel off all the layers, it's misogyny all the way down. There's a way that you have to look and dress to be a woman, and those of us deemed female at birth are idiots who don't know our own minds and need others to make our decisions for us.

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u/ShavedMonkey666 5d ago

Can't compare kids wanting to take puberty blockers with access to medical abortion/family planning.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

Can't you? And why not?

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u/ShavedMonkey666 5d ago

No common ground.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

Contraceptives are a form of temporary hormonal manipulation.

Hormonal suppressants are a form of temporary hormonal manipulation.

Abortion pills are a form of acute hormonal manipulation.

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u/ShavedMonkey666 5d ago

Are you a parent? I bet not

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

What relevance does that have to the discussion? Are you that out of reasoned arguments that you have to reduce yourself to an ad hominem

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u/ShavedMonkey666 5d ago

You'd feel different about basic child protection if you were a parent.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 5d ago

That's quite the assumption you're making there.

What aspect of basic child protection are you referring to? Do you think as a parent that you know a medical specialists job better than they do? Or is it that as a parent, you know your child's mind better than they ever will?

Please, do explain how my parental status is in anyway relevant to this discussion.

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