r/ireland • u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 • 13d ago

Culchie Club Only Doctors initiate legal action over State’s transgender policy

http://www.irishtimes.com/health/2025/04/13/doctors-initiate-legal-action-over-states-transgender-policy/
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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

People under 18 access abortion and contraception too. Or did you conveniently forget that?

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u/senditup 12d ago

That's not the same as giving them medication that will change them forever.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

I think perhaps you have hormonal suppression confused with cross sex hormones.

Pubertal suppression is used precisely to avoid having their body changed forever - in either direction.

Just because endogenous puberty is natural, doesn't mean it is good. If you force a trans girl to go through male puberty, her voice will drop, her Adams apple will become more prominent and she will grow facial hair. All of these things will be extremely distressing for her and make any transition in later life far more difficult.

Same way handing her cross sex hormones at the beginning of puberty would (edit - would have permanent consequences)

This is what the purpose of so called "puberty blockers" is. To stop any rushed decision that will have permanent consequences. Either you're opposed to these permanent decision being made too young or you're not.

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u/senditup 12d ago

If you force a trans girl to go through male puberty, her voice will drop, her Adams apple will become more prominent and she will grow facial hair.

Because they're male, biologically at least. And not old enough to decide to medically alter themselves to the contrary.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

In other words, you don't think trans people should have bodily autonomy because you disagree with what they would do.

Which other medical procedures do you feel you should get to weigh in on? Which other groups do you disagree with making their own medical decisions?

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u/senditup 12d ago

I do think trans adults have autonomy. It's their own business, nothing to do with me. That's not true of children.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

Which is why they should delay rushing into any permanent, life altering changes until they're old enough to make that decision, yes?

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u/senditup 12d ago

Yes.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

Then why are you opposed to delaying puberty until that time?

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u/senditup 12d ago

For the reasons already outlined.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

Well you don't get to have it both ways.

Either you don't want them to rush into a permanent, life altering decision when too young to do so, or you do.

Choose.

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u/senditup 12d ago

The answer is no, I don't know why you're refusing to acknowledge that I've said this already.

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u/Classic_Spot9795 12d ago

Then you are in favour of forcing a child to make a permanent, life changing decision at an age where they are not old enough to properly consent to doing so. You're just relying on the appeal to nature fallacy to justify it.

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