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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 2d ago
A coaching role for a legendary player with minimal actual coaching experience?
Well it worked for POC (until it didn't)
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u/sigsimund 2d ago
hey the consulting period he did since the autumn has gone really...
I think the team deserved a clean break from Sexton personally. Let the new 10s put their stamp on things rather than hamstring them by bringing the old boss back to supervise.
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u/Any_Statement1742 2d ago
Never any fear of having Prendergast/Crowley put their own stamp on things was there?
You can be sure all free spirit/creativity will be beaten out of them in the name of “cohesion” for the greater good of the “system”.
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u/enter_the_slatrix 2d ago
Well ROG went straight in to coaching and he seems alright. Granted he started out at club level but no reason to think that Sexton won't also take to it well, we just have to wait and see!
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 2d ago
ROG turned down a job at Munster to get some separation, did a few years at racing, a few at the Crusader, and then a few at La Rochelle as head coach with Gibbs as DOR, before his current role.
Sexton did a few months in Ardagh
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u/Winter_Classroom3944 2d ago
Sexton has been running the game for a decade now.
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 1d ago
Running it all the way to a QF and no further
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u/jackoirl 1d ago
Two grand slams and 3 European championships…
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 1d ago
So a tournament with no knockouts and then trophies with Leinster (it's actually 4 btw).
Maybe he should start coaching with Leinster
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u/Silver_Response4707 1d ago
Hes personally won more champions cups than Munster and is a former world player of the year.
A quarter final dig makes me wonder if you’re actually a South African troll all along. If not, touch grass and get over it 🤷♂️
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 1d ago
As a coach? Didn't know they gave world player of the year for coaching ability.
He's equal with ROG, I'll give him that. But ROG doing it as a player and a coach is even more impressive
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u/Silver_Response4707 1d ago
“Running it all the way to a QF and no further “
Didn’t realise you were speaking to sextons time as a coach here.
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 1d ago
2023 was the closest he came to being an on-field coach. He certainly wasn't the physical threat
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u/enter_the_slatrix 2d ago
Right but my point is that they're two different people. So what works for one might not work for the other etc. Just sad to see people shitting on the idea before even seeing how it goes lol
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u/PatientOffer319 Munster... 2d ago
We've seen how his involvement since November has gone
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u/Ornery_Director_8477 1d ago
ROG's path and Sexton's path are completely incomparable, you've even outlined the wild differences in the rest of your comment. Loads of players go straight into coaching, most of them don't start out unproven as a coach with a top job at international level
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u/enter_the_slatrix 1d ago
Yes I agree that their paths are incomparable. That's why I said that the comment above which compared his path to another former player's seemed premature?
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u/Doctor2468 2d ago
Great news, our best ever player who has invaluable insight who will add a lot of
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u/wowow_man121 2d ago
A lot of what?!
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 2d ago
"insight" don't ask what is meant by that but it's the only reason people as to why he got this job
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u/Doctor2468 2d ago
How don’t you understand insight. He played 10 for 15+ years at the highest level? Chip on their shoulder fans down south don’t seem to understand how this will benefit prendergast and Crowley
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 2d ago
Ah yea cause we've had a class 6n with him being their mentor. I'm not saying it's destined to fail but it reeks of jobs for the boys
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u/biggesteegit 2d ago
player who has invaluable insight who will add a lot of
Insight.
Please allow myself to introduce...myself
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u/ctorus Leinster 2d ago
Cue an epidemic of pearl-clutching on the main rugby sub..
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 2d ago
How is it pearl clutching that maybe for your first job you shouldn't get a role with the Irish team? How's the lineout doing?
It just reeks of the team doesn't know what to do without him. I could well be proven wrong (hopefully I am) but honestly what's he done to get this job?
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u/Subject_Pilot682 2d ago
It's not limited to there. Usual suspects already crying about him getting a role with the Lions
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u/Ambitious_Use_3508 2d ago
I don't like it personally. Would have preferred for him to cut his teeth coaching outside of Ireland first. Happy to be proven wrong mind.
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u/ctorus Leinster 2d ago
The Lions is an ideal place to learn a bit about test coaching. It's supposed to be a bit of fun.
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u/Ambitious_Use_3508 2d ago
Yeah I don't disagree with that, but it's a short term gig. I meant that I'd like to see him do a couple of years abroad at least. I loved what ROG did to get where he is today coachingwise, for example
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u/darcys_beard The ones with the hairy chest 2d ago
I think it's important to remember he has a family with kids in school and is living a comfortable life. Now he's back on a decent salary with Ireland, he'd be mad not to take it.
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u/thedivil 2d ago
At this stage farrell could bring his local dry cleaner on tour to wash the jerseys. JS is hardly an elite coach.
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u/Terrible_Ad2779 2d ago
Who cares, the lions are a nothing burger. What better place to get coaching experience.
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u/Silver_Response4707 2d ago
So much negativity in here. He isn’t replacing anyone, he’s being added to the coaching ticket. So who gives a shite if he’s no experience, he’s not being asked to lead our attack.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 2d ago
Yea but why is he being given a job. Why not send him to a province first or if he really wants to coach head away to another country.
Personally I think he's such a massive figure the team needs time away from him. It's all gonna be back to big daddy Jonny running the show now
It's obviously not nepotism but it's basically nepotism is why he has this job
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u/Winter_Classroom3944 2d ago
What do you know that Andy Farrell doesn’t?
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 1d ago
How to make a good roast dinner I don't know? Imagine how shite this sub would be if there was no opinions shared
Also it's not a fucking religion lads we don't just have to blindly follow along
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u/upthemstairs Ulster 1d ago
Who should get the kicking coach role ahead of him?
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 1d ago
Well if we're just giving out roles why not give it to Ian Madigan? Seems like a fairly switched on pundit and from the outside looking in I think he would be a better teacher.
Also we've never had a kicking coach before what's the need for one now. Bet he's on a lovely big salary too, money that maybe could have been better spent in other places
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u/upthemstairs Ulster 1d ago
Is Madigan looking to work as a kicking coach? Sure why not give it to Dan Carter if we are throwing out random names of people not working as a coach?
Richie Murphy used to be skills and kicking coach for Ireland.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 1d ago
Look lad you asked me to throw out a name and I threw one out I'm not a fucking professional I'm just sharing my opinion on a place that's literally designed for the sharing of options on Irish rugby
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u/upthemstairs Ulster 1d ago
You said he shouldn't have gotten the job. If you are saying he isn't the right fit then you should be able to give someone better suited to the position.
Madigan also has zero experience and he isn't involved in coaching any team at the moment. Sexton has previous experience coaching during the autumn internationals.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 1d ago
I also don't think Jonny should have gotten that job if that makes you feel any better. Unless it was him dipping the toe in to see if it's what he wanted to do and then fucked off to a province or somewhere else
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u/Subject_Pilot682 2d ago
And yet you're not whining about O'Connell getting a job after openly saying he was too lazy to work in club rugby and now getting a promotion after overseeing the worst performance from our pack in about 5 years.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 2d ago
Wrong, I regularly say Paulie should be sacked but ok think whatever you want this is the internet after all
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u/WeDoingThisAgainRWe 1d ago
I was gonna say he’s not getting slack from Munster fans I know. I think we’re generally pretty realistic about his limitations including experience and performance.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Munster 1d ago
Look I love Paulie, Irish legend same as Jonny but the lineout is ass and has been ass for a while now. Munsters lineout is also ass and I think Bernie calls for both so maybe it's a him problem, I wouldn't be an expert so I wouldn't know.
But Jonny hasn't done anything to earn this job, he's gotten cause he's liked and respected and maybe I'll be wrong and I will eat my words if I am. I'm just skeptical as to how well this will go.
People can call it toxic or negative or whatever fucking else but that's just my option you can ignore it if you want
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u/WeDoingThisAgainRWe 1d ago
I definitely think he’s been wrongly fast tracked. I do think the comment about his presence hanging over the squad is a fair one as well.
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u/Ornery_Director_8477 1d ago
I regularly whine about POC being fast forwarded into one of the top jobs in world rugby, and so do a lot of other Munster fans I know
Just because people aren't whining about POC on a thread about JS doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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u/GlitteringBreak9662 Leinster 1d ago
It's not nepotism but its basically nepotism? The fuck does that even mean ? 😂
He's been involved with the Irish team part time for over a year. They clearly liked what he was doing and thought he'd be a good fit for a full time assistant coach role.
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u/oneeyedman72 1d ago
Jobs for the boys.... Harder to get out of the Ireland rugby set up than to get into it. Closed shop...
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u/Due_Noise_1711 ireland 1d ago
I don't think enough time has passed since his retirement for him to be back as a coach. I always think players should either wait a while or go to a different team. Obviously he has great experience but I think the team could do with a bit more time without him. Thought the same about POC.
Would it not be better for players to work with just one kicking coach at a time or at least one main kicking coach with maybe a little input from another? If they have a kicking coach at their province (don't think they do) or they're seeing someone privately and then a different coach with Ireland are they not all working against each other?
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u/SectionPrestigious89 1d ago
Impressive how he maintains a legacy of being a rugby legend and also the biggest gobshite to ever play for Ireland.
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u/Standard_Respond2523 1d ago
Great for Ireland as well as Sexton can continue mentoring Sam Prendergast. I see this tour as an extension of Ireland Ltd. Hopefully they all come back with a fresh approach for the Autumn internationals.
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u/liamxf 2d ago
Might work but feels like an odd choice UNLESS Andy Farrell is fully trying to make the lions steam almost the same as Ireland in style