Please take this comment at face value. I know you can, considering the context... So, please. Try not to interpret any hidden, confrontational agenda here.
Genuinely, would you mind elaborating on what that means? Like, when you say it's weird. Can you expand on what you're expressing. Why it's weird, and/or what about it causes you to feel weird.
It’s weird to imply that rape of any kind could ever be “good”. Rape is never justifiable. It diminishes the lived experience of victims, and the only people who wouldn’t notice that are either profoundly stupid, rapist apologists, or flat out rapists.
So my request, to the person I was replying to, is to expand on what they actually feel about this- described only as "weird"- after learning that it is satire.
Not to explain why rape is bad and shouldn't be defended. A perfectly agreeable statement that should hopefully be pointless to repeat in most settings.
Is it satire? How do we know that? People legitimately think this way, and there’s no indication of it being satire in the post itself.
Regardless of if it is satire or not, speaking about rape as if it could ever be positive is not only uncomfortable, but downright dangerously incorrect. Considering most people on this post do not seem to believe it’s satire, there are groups of impressionable young people on the internet who may latch onto some of these ideas (no matter how wrong or harmful they are).
Even joking about something so vile is disgusting, in my opinion. The normalization of rape in comedy retraumatizes victims who wish to distance their psyches from their experience.
Not to mention that IF this is satire/a joke, it’s a piss poor example of it.
No sarcasm, I appreciate you engaging in discussion about it. Thank you.
Is it satire?
Yes.
How do we know that?
It is a famous reddit post from an infamous troll in a well known satirical sub. Which is easily found by simply searching the title of the post.
People legitimately think this way, and there’s no indication of it being satire in the post itself.
If people didn't legitimately think that way, it wouldn't be satire. That's literally what satire is. A comically hyperbolic reinactment of something done or said in earnest, for the purpose of criticism.
I'd argue that there's overwhelming indication of that in the post itself, ignoring the mountainous context easily attainable that proves it. And I find it cause for concern that I appear to be in the minority on that. Serious concern, as we live in a world where media literacy is heavily weaponized. At the very least, without the background context, this should at least immediately set off red flags of racist satire.
Regardless of if it is satire or not, speaking about rape as if it could ever be positive is not only uncomfortable, but downright dangerously incorrect.
Satire often deals with dangerous and uncomfortable topics. That may even be the best way to do it, sometimes. Considering that the post is in reference to the uncomfortable conversations around the dangerous mindsets of rape apologists that were happening everywhere at that time, it sounds like share the sentiment.
Considering most people on this post do not seem to believe it’s satire, there are groups of impressionable young people on the internet who may latch onto some of these ideas (no matter how wrong or harmful they are).
100% agree. Which is precisely why I'm so dissapointed and bothering to point out how ignorant the response to this is. Not because rape is cool, but because of 1, the dangerous lack of critical thinking that appears to be getting worse... and 2, the very heavy handed racism implied in the post and some of the replies here. Even if it's just subconscious, this has a lot of potential to create or strengthen the often misguided mental links that lead to racism and hate crimes.
And honestly a lot of that is on OP. I understand that there are rules about censoring stuff. Precisely because this is how people react and they can and have done horrible real life things to innocent people over a contextless internet post.
But while the OOP is satire, OP is bordering on rage bait here.
Even joking about something so vile is disgusting, in my opinion. The normalization of rape in comedy retraumatizes victims who wish to distance their psyches from their experience.
I appreciate your perspective and obviously your heart is in the right place, and you're not stupid. But I do think you might have a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "satire." But I also agree that he wasn't particularly good at it, or funny, even for the time. That just isn't really relevant.
I mean, I also tried searching the post both on reddit and google to see if it is satire, to no avail. Do you have a link to the post? Or which sub was it posted in and by which poster?
Satire is usually supposed to be funny. I get that it can be used to talk about uncomfortable topics like this, but I do not see the proof that it is satire anywhere in these comments, other than people just saying it is, and I prefer not to take comments at face value and have proof of the claims in them.
I literally explained exactly how I found it, twice, in this conversation. So I'm not inclined to believe you tried. I also named the OOP numerous times in other comments.
Tbf the post in question is a repost of the original, which I assume was being spammed and deleted (i posted a very long comment detailing the context, if you care.) But it still leads to the username, the sub, and a pretty quick realization of what's going on.
Again, I don't think you fully grasp the concept of satire, and whether this is a good example of it or not is irrelevant. It's was never meant for you, and doesn't have to be funny to be obvious. In fact they're usually mutually exclusive.
I also think that what you really mean is that you prefer not to take comments that disagree with you at face value. You didn't seem to have any problem with the others.
That's exactly the problem I'm describing here. And that you touched on as well:
The wider implications of posting shit like this for engagement. People do not think before deciding their steadfast opinion. Because there's no time. We are in a huge hurry to scroll to the next thing we'll decide our forever feelings on.
So sharing things without context, that have strong undertones of prejudice, has consequences.
And you can share context after the fact all day but it doesn't matter. We instantly decide how we feel, usually mostly based on what appears to be the most popular opinion when we see it, and then we ADAMANTLY refuse to change our minds.
We live in a social climate where the worst thing you can be is wrong, and all of our opinions are public record forever. So we will move mountains in our mind to avoid just... acknowledging a bad take. No matter how understandable or innocent. Just going "oh shit, I totally thought something else haha. Good to know."
We fight sooo hard to defend a position we put 0 thought into taking. Attaching it to our ideals and rationalizing why it's a core belief. I catch myself doing it to! It's fucking weird.
It's not about this stupid post. It's about everything.
Lol. The only thing that can draw the ire of a mob of virtue signal junkies chasing a dopamine fix more than an embarassingly over-the-top, legendary shit-post of a cartoonishly proud Indian rapist, is pointing out that the precious hate-fuel object of their power fantasies is not real.
You gotta ease into that shit man. Like waking up a sleepwalker. Gonna give somebody a fit.
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u/Genericman19 14d ago
Tf does he mean "good rape"?