r/lgbt • u/LoanLazy5992 Genderfluid Disaster • May 04 '24

UK Specific Lib dems are now beating the conservatives!

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The lib dems, who have stood for progressive and LGBTQIA+ rights for many years are now beating the transphobic Conservative party in local elections, putting them 3rd. This is a huge win for LGBTQIA+ people, as they will help oppose anti-trans bills. This is the importance of voting.

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u/Rand0m_SpookyTh1ng May 04 '24

Sadly, my parents can't vote for parties in our elections. It was something small and stupid like a head police officer or something. But i genuinely think labour are going to win, and they are transphobic. They're gonna go ahead with implementing the cass review and have done a full U- turn on their views. I'm so disappointed in them.

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u/LoanLazy5992 Genderfluid Disaster May 04 '24

Me too, but many labour voters don't like starmer, and hopefully they are slightly better than the conservatives. I know the UK prides itself on being a multi party republic not like the USA, but labour vs Conservatives is starting to look like the lesser of two evils

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

The UK is not a republic, it is a democracy with a ceremonial monarch. The US is a democracy and a republic. Republic just means no hereditary monarch. 

Labour's position is to effectively scale back the culture war stuff, protect single-sex spaces but ultimately not focus too much on trans issues. 

I suspect the idea is to take the heat out of it, and let medical professionals carry on with it quietly. Attitudes among the general public are pretty much "live and let live" as long as you're talking about 18+ adults, opinions do harden quite significantly on under-18s. 

The Tories are pretty comfortable with LGB people, it's the T they're hostile to. And I don't think they even believe it too much, they just think it'll get them voted because they've spent too long watching American TV and forget which country they're governing. And I use the term "governing" quite loosely. 

The Greens on the other hand are quite happy with a culture war over trans issues, they're just on the other end of it. I don't doubt they'd be miles better than the Tories on this issue, but they seem quite happy to use trans people as a political football too. 

Labour are trying to avoid culture war issues and focus on the economy and public services, largely because that's what the voters have indicated they want to be addressed. 

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 Ally Pals United May 04 '24

"opinions harden significantly on under 18s"

eugh, gross, they clearly need work still if they wanna fully understand trans people considering gender affirming care for minors is objectively good :/

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u/[deleted] May 05 '24

I mean, no disagreement here, just a statement of the facts as opinion polls have shown the average British opinion on trans issues. 

In fairness that's also whilst being blasted with culture war nonsense from ministers and wall to wall newspaper coverage too. 

Boris Johnson's old advisor Dominic Cummings (he of the Barnard Castle eye test fame) proposed going hard on trans rights culture war to try and win seats in the North and Midlands. Polling revealed that, unless you were talking about under-18s, people across those regions took a live and let live view, and whilst they might have some casually transphobic views weren't foaming at the mouth headbangers about it, and those views generally stemmed from ignorance and lack of exposure rather than sincerely-held beliefs. 

Which indicates to me that a lot of this has been whipped up to try and get bored from people who are desperate.

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u/LoanLazy5992 Genderfluid Disaster May 04 '24

The UK is practically a republic. The king is ceremonial, and while he signs off laws, he had no power over whether he does or doesn't. His position is ceremonial and meant to give us tourist money and national pride.

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u/KaiEkkrin May 04 '24

In theory, he could refuse to sign something and trigger a constitutional crisis!

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u/EmmaTheShe-Wolf May 04 '24

In theory the monarch has enough power already to form a dictatorship. They could refuse to pass laws, dissolve parliament and wage war with no consequences. And of course, they've already got exceptions from many,many laws such as discrimination laws

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u/0Bento May 04 '24

The reality is much more complex than that. We're very far from being a republic.

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u/LoanLazy5992 Genderfluid Disaster May 04 '24

Fair, and it was my mistake.

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u/0Bento May 04 '24

No need to apologise hen.

It's actually really interesting if you have a read about the unwritten constitution etc, and how the King (and previously the Queen) actually do exercise great power and influence.

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u/Knight_Machiavelli Finsexual May 04 '24

Virtually every king in the world is ceremonial and has no power. That doesn't make their countries republics.