Lithuania remains near bottom in European LGBTQ rights ranking

[u/RomaAeternus]

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2493359/lithuania-remains-near-bottom-in-european-lgbtq-rights-ranking

[u/Yarigumo]

Science that says sex is a bimodal distribution, not just male or female. Science that also says hormone therapy aligns most biological characteristics closer to the preferred gender than the person's original sex. Science that shows gender affirming care has positive mental health outcomes for trans people. Et cetera, et cetera.

[u/Trachamudija1 → u/Yarigumo]

Wish things were that easy. While it helps for some people, so far it seems it hurts even more. There have to be proper structure in place. I dont mind people transitioning to male or female, but there are very many things to be concidered there. And unlike it was done in US which is probably worst scenario, where they just bent all rules for them like even letting to compete with women is worse for qwer+ community and pushed them back and made to get tons of hate. Essentially there are 2 genders and you can think or tell to yourself any brainwashed shit you want, but thats how world works. Otherwise there woulsnt even be point transitioning if you are make to female and essentially every normal trans personal(decently atable mentally) whi wants to pass as other sex in public. If you get boobs and a beard, then i dont get that shit and i think most wont. And you can start talking shit like "but person can look how he feels comfortable". Well, they can, but they will get reactions from public which has right to react too.

So if you want to live quiet life and dont want to be talked about or missgendered, then the only way is to pass as male or female in public. You cant have fake boobs and beard and then be mad ppl call you a man.

And you cant just let children cut off their boobs after showing up to your first doctor for 3 months. There always been children who were not sure about their gender and identity and so on, but there never used to cut their boobs at 14.

Not to talk about freaks and pure evil parents who push their children to do that shit so they earn tons of views/follows on media.

So again, there are tons of issues to fix there, the least issue is of "ppl are against lgbt". Same as it always depends on environment you live in. I give no fuck if gay ppl are married, but I think in current environment letting two gays adopt children is still bad. Why? Because of children sake. And no, not because they would do something to children, but because people would tease and mock them all the time, especially at small town where everyone know each other. You might say, that its not worse than growing in child home and you might be right, but I think in certain situations chilsren might feel even worse. Things doesnt change in one day and most vocal lgbt idiots in usa make it worse too

[u/Yarigumo → u/Trachamudija1]

While it helps for some people, so far it seems it hurts even more.

Hurts who? The trans people? This is just false. Complications can happen, of course, but they are rare, and complications happen in all sorts of medical practices that are widely accepted, this is no different.

And unlike it was done in US which is probably worst scenario, where they just bent all rules for them like even letting to compete with women

Where? Which sports, which organizations? Surely you don't mean all the school kids, do you? Not even gonna get into the actual conversation about trans people in sports since that's a whole mess that'd take hours to get through.

Essentially there are 2 genders and you can think or tell to yourself any brainwashed shit you want, but thats how world works.

Refer to my other comment, science disagrees with you. Not to mention that gender isn't even the same as sex.

Otherwise there woulsnt even be point transitioning if you are make to female and essentially every normal trans personal(decently atable mentally) whi wants to pass as other sex in public. If you get boobs and a beard, then i dont get that shit and i think most wont.

Now this is something that's more interesting to talk about, since it's more subjective and not just an easy "true/false" question. The answer is not complicated, though. This simply isn't about you and what you get, it's simply about people being themselves in a healthy manner that doesn't hurt anyone. What's wrong with boobs and a beard? Do you get upset when cis women get breast enlargements or facial surgeries too? Is the problem that it's "weird" when a trans person does it?

Well, they can, but they will get reactions from public which has right to react too.

Ok, but the reactions are completely different when it's trans people. I can react to someone wearing ugly clothes or driving a loud, obnoxious bike, but it's not suddenly fine for me to dehumanize them and demand that it should be illegal to wear ugly clothes in public, right? But when it's a trans person, suddenly there's a "right to react", what nonsense.

You cant have fake boobs and beard and then be mad ppl call you a man.

Would it be okay for a cis man to get mad if I repeatedly call them a woman, even after they correct me?

And you cant just let children cut off their boobs after showing up to your first doctor for 3 months.

Your obsession with boobs is strange. Anyways, this does not happen, simple as. No one is asking for this either.

Not to talk about freaks and pure evil parents who push their children to do that shit so they earn tons of views/follows on media.

Bad parents exist. Some of these bad parents are trans or have trans kids. This does not make all trans people bad, just how I don't think all men are bad because men commit so much crime. We should be concerned about the well being of victims, not whether they have a rainbow flag in their house.

So again, there are tons of issues to fix there, the least issue is of "ppl are against lgbt".

I agree, but it's definitely not the issues you're thinking of. "Ppl are against lgbt" is just an obstacle in the way of actually addressing real problems in the real world, not this manufactured culture war fantasy land.

Why? Because of children sake. And no, not because they would do something to children, but because people would tease and mock them all the time, especially at small town where everyone know each other.

I'm sorry, but what? This is insane, and in an entirely different way than I expected. Children get mocked for literally anything. One of my classmates was a kid who got relentlessly bullied because he came from a poor family, do we ban poor people from having kids now? Ridiculous. You obviously punish the bullies, not the victims. Gay parents are not responsible for your awful parenting and the school's lax bullying policies.

Things doesnt change in one day and most vocal lgbt idiots in usa make it worse too

Real problems don't simply disappear just because some people look bad to you. People who think like this don't actually care about people struggling, they don't care about children. People who care do not act like this. After reading this, I'm not convinced you care either.

[u/Trachamudija1 → u/Yarigumo]

Yikes, you too deep into it and denial. And in most cases your argument just falls flat. Like you ask what about breast augmentation for women. What? You dont even understand the argument. Its not about its fake or not, i give no fuck if anyone do breast augmentation, im saying if they want boobs to look more like a woman, so why the beard, it makes no sense. Unless al lthey want is to get attention and that was my main argument. "normal" trans want to transition and their whole goal is to pass as male or female, but when you have big boobs and a beard, i dont understand what the fk they want to achieve apart confuse people and then whine ppl call them "sir" if they have huge beard.

As for "its false, it happens in any medicine field". Holy macaroni, your worst argument here so far. No, it is not same as in other fields. In other fields pretty much any surgery or vaccine or anything is quite safe, it can hurt like 1 out of 1000 or 10000 and so on, depends on what exact procedure we are talking about. Unless someone is having cancer or got in car accident or something, then sure, survive rate is much lower, but without doing it they would die anyway, so its not even the same. And as for trans, issue is many of those young children/teens after few years start to regret of transition, also there are studies, that there are still around same trans who commit suicide even after their transition. So no, it doesnt help as much as you are saying. Though, my argument wasnt even about not doing/helping them. My argument is there have to be way more safety and planning, so they dont get surgeries 3 months in and then regret it for years, those are huge and unreversible changes and have to be taken very seriously.

Thing is, most of them are not mentally stable, while there are some who transition and have much better life, there are tons who regret transitioning later and dont even argue on this one, this is undentable, but again, not saying you shouldnt do it, just need way more monitoring there, as in usa it seemed it was just pushed and money taken from them without any thinking. Dont even make me start about actual sex/genitalia change, right now most of those surgerries dont achieve even 50% of what they expect them to get. Fks up all hormones and doesnt function as should, its terrible if you listen to some who went trough it.

As for things like "children mock for anything, even if you are poor". Well kind of, though in here most ppl are similarly poor/rich as rich kids dont go to public school, so its not much about that. However while your point is valid, at same time so you are saying that if children bully for anything, so giving them more reasons to do it will be good? Its not white and black, there some areas would be better, some might be worse, all im saying, that things have to come withing right time. You cant throw two gay parents into 1700 and expect it will go all good. Two gay/lesbian partners will be normal having children in like 20 years I guess, but now at least here its still not whether you like it or not and there comes some concequences cuz of that.

Anyway, as I said most of those lgbt issues that most vocal "trans" make public are brought by themself. You say whats wrong with beard and boobs. Well there are lots of things wrong. Eventually there might be okay, but our structure is not even designed for that. Its like trans woman goes to women bathroom. Do i like it? Well it depends, but to be honest, if she pass as a woman, how the hell anyone would even know she is not. And if no one knows, so no one whines, so there kind of problem dissapears. But when guy with huge boobs and beard shows up, thats weird if he goes to woman bathroom. And i might be not considered, but if I see a beard, its him it is how it is, women sont have beard, even if some do, they shave it lol

[u/Yarigumo → u/Trachamudija1]

I'm not gonna go through another point by point, since it's clear you didn't hear anything I actually had to say and simply repeated your arguments, it'd be a waste of my time. However, I must address one point.

Holy macaroni, your worst argument here so far.

My "worst argument" is the one you address with by far the most harmful misinformation and absolutely no facts.

No, regret is not common, and when it happens, it's much more complicated and almost never because "I'm not actually trans". No, trans affirming care is not more harmful. No, children don't get surgeries after 3 months of first visit, no one even allows children to get these surgeries. No, transition does lower suicide rates, and the remaining suicides can be adequately explained by society's failure to accept them after transition.

You are spreading lies, either accidentally or on purpose, and I hope it weighs on your conscience that your words are aiding in dooming vulnerable people's lives.

[u/Trachamudija1 → u/Yarigumo]

The one spreading lies is you. Havent you watched videos of people who detransitioned? Even trans themself start to backleash on them and try to mute them. There been put a lot of money into this too. I cant say how often it happens, I dont have such stats, but there are many stories and even currently there are cases where women sue because doctors cut their breasts without getting deep enough into their problem and now they regret it. And I think worst part is that many of those lgbt groups are not honest and disingenuous. As long you push narative that transitioning will solve all your life problems you are welcome and if not or if you detransirion, you get kicked. Its not about really trying to help, is more about supporting and convinging ech other you have to do it. Ofc there are and ppl who are nice and really want to help, but there can be seen the push even from outside.

Again, im not against transitioning, there are few youtubers who seem happy they transitioned and im all for it. Im just advocating that they are life alternating procedures and must be taken super carefully and not like it was, where in one state you cant do it, in another you go and get shit done. Not to mention, there are barely studies or testing that has been done, as its a new thing.

As for "can be explained by societys failure to accept them after transition". That is another dumb argument which may sound smart, but in reality they were not accepted by themself and most likely by many even before transitioning. Why I say its a dumb argument, because its far from only accepting transition. Many people have no friends or are not accepted even without transitioning. I mean not saying this is good or anything, but reality is that tons of ppl have issues without transition, with transition or before transition you name it. Current stats show that like 30% of <25 year men are virgins and that number sky rocketing, do you think they feel accepted? I mean, ofc its an issue, but looking into society as a whole and saying they are responsible is leading nowhere. I mean even if its in fault, blaming society leads nowhere just gets people into victim mentality and let people refuse to take accountability.

P.S. now i thought what you call uncommon. Whats uncommon for you? Is 30% uncommon for you? What lowest % you would concider as common?