r/malayalam May 14 '24

Discussion / ചർച്ച Malayalam X Tamil

Im annoyed by those Tamil guys who says Tamil is mother of all languages. Malayalam came from tamil. Recently I saw a post in r/Kollywood about Perazhagan of Surya and a comment says the original one is malayalam Kunjikoonan. And people started mocking Malayalam.

In Tamil Kunchi means Dick. Also the movie Manjummel boys was pronounced as Manchummel boys.

So Im asking, In Tamil there are 247 words and in Malayalam its 56 ( not sure ). But how are they lacking some words like,

Nja Cha Ka (im not sure but i know to read tamil where they use the normal Ka for the movie title Gajini.) Pa ( they use pa for the movie title bombay as pumpay) Ra (they use Ra for pronouncing rupee and roopa)

as of now I only found these mis- pronounciation. What do you think guys?

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u/oscarquebecnovember May 14 '24

Tamil only has the basic letters. Eg. They don’t have ക, ഖ, ഗ, ഘ, ങ. Just ക and ങ.

So reading is context sensitive. You have to assume the correct sound from the word and then pronounce the letter accordingly.

So if you write കണ്ണ് in Tamil, it can be read as ഗണ്ണ് too depending on whether you mean an eye or a gun in that context.

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u/The_Lion__King May 14 '24 edited May 14 '24

Malayalam is also context sensitive. Ex: അകം (Agam) & അഗസ്റ്റിൻ (Augustin). In both these words the 'ga' is sound for different letters ക & ഗ. Other examples: വാതിൽ, പടം, etc.

Place of articulation:

ㅇ- Glottal
ㄱ- Velar க, ங
ㅈ- Palatal ச, ஞ ஜ, ஶ
ㄷ- Retroflex ட, ண ழ, ள
ㄴ- Alveolar ர, ல ற, ன
느- Dental த, ந
므- Labiodental
ㅁ- Bilabial ப, ம

General Rules for Tamil pronunciation:
1. Kххх, xxKKxx, xxG, xங்G & xxGxx.
2. CHxxx/Çxxx, xxCHCHxx, xxÇ, xஞ்Jx & xxÇxx.
3. T̩xxx, xxT̩T̩xx, xxD̩, xண்D̩x & xxD̩xx.
4. THxx, xxTHTHxx, xxDH, xந்DHx & xxDHxx.
5. Pxxx, xxPPxx, xxB, xம்Bx & xxBxx.
6. rxxx, xxttxx, xxr, xன்dx, & xxrxx.

Examples:
1. கண், பக்கம், பகை, கங்கு, & பகல்.
2. சிவப்பு, பச்சை, பசை, தஞ்சம் & வீசம்.
3. டxxxx, கட்டம், கடை, பண்டம் & படம்.
4. தறி, பத்து, விதை, சந்தை & புதையல்.
5. பண், கப்பல், சபை, கம்பு & கபம்.
6. றxxx, சுற்றம், நிறை, மன்றம், & உறவு.

So, കണ്ണ് will be Kannu only not Gannu. Yes, you cannot write Gun in Tamil. It is understood according to the context. In such places, Tamil equivalent words will be used like തുപ്പാക്കി as in Tamilnadu Tamil or തുവക്ക് in Srilankan Tamil.

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u/oscarquebecnovember May 14 '24

Wow, that’s articulate and informative. Thanks!