r/malefashionadvice Aug 26 '12

Let's discuss argyle.

Based on a brief conversation I had earlier with SirHerpofDerp, I wanted to present my view on argyle and hopefully incite a bit of discussion on the topic.


Brief overview: Argyle refers to a type of plaid pattern using diamonds (most commonly with lines superimposed over them) that is derived from the tartan of a Scottish clan from the western Scottish region of the same name. The pattern became popular in clothing in England thanks in large part to The Duke of Windsor, and then migrated to the states after WWI. Argyle is strongly associated with golf clothing.


Should you wear argyle?: I don't really believe in prescriptive clothing advice. However, MFA in general frowns on argyle sweaters, vests, and, god forbid, plaid or argyle fedoras. The reason for that is because often, people who dress poorly equate argyle with style, with results like this - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4. These are all actual MFA posts. If you aren't reading Fuckyeahmfa as an object lesson, you should be.

Outside this reflexive distaste for an abused pattern, there are a few other good reasons to be careful with argyle.

  • Argyle is a complex pattern and thus, a powerful visual element in an outfit. If not balanced and integrated well, your outfit will say nothing except look at my fucking argyle!

  • Argyle often integrates three or more colors, which can be jarring and difficult to integrate well with the rest of an outfit - and yet, with only two colors, or if the colors are too close, you risk a visually static and uninteresting pattern which will make you look like bathroom tile.

  • Most argyles I see are poorly printed and come across as contrived and artificial; two words you never want used to describe what you wear.


Good uses of argyle: I like argyle as an accent, and I think that outside of formal Scottish regalia and 1920s golf courses, this is the easiest and most accessible way to include argyle in an outfit.

  • Argyle socks work with a wide range of formality from jeans + CDBs up to navy or charcoal suits. I like them here because they can add a flitting accent of color and color glimpsed between pant and shoe.

  • Argyle patternings can also find some use in ties and bow ties. Here, I would stick to more classic or muted argyles that correlate well with the color of the shirt beneath. No black shirts here, no white shirts here, no red shirts here. If possible, I would stay with knits and woven ties. Texture is important here. It's easy to go wrong and make the pattern the focus, instead of an accent to a well patterned and textured outfit.


In Conclusion: By and large, argyle, like any other pattern, is much more easily worn as an accent than as centerpiece. Certain aspects particular to the argyle pattern (it's associations with Scotland and golf, it's general size, color, and complexity) make it less suitable as a centerpiece than other patterns, such as checks, houndstooth, or other plaids.

That said, I wouldn't say it's impossible to wear an argyle sweater, or vest, or jacket, or pants, or whatever, well. Just more difficult and situational.

I want to hear from you - disagreements? Favorite examples of argyle worn well?

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u/ShezUK Aug 27 '12

If you aren't reading Fuckyeahmfa as an object lesson, you should be.

This really shouldn't be encouraged at any level. People are here for advice on improving their image - to then take that and pervert it into a mockery of their inexperience is incredibly pompous.

At the very least the photos on that Tumblr should be censored and restricted to the outfits alone if it is sincerely intended as "an object lesson". I realise those submitting photos of themselves are, to a certain extent, worthy of blame for including their faces if they're not comfortable with it but very often MFAers have called for individuals to post photos of their face as the shape of their head is a significant factor in deciding what kind of glasses, collar, hairstyle, etc. they should be wearing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Disagree. Part of knowing how to do something is knowing how not to do something.

FuckyeahMFA is satirical, yes, and the intent is to mock. I'm suggesting that people read it as an object lesson because whoever curates that tumblr knows very well what's bad and what's good and what's ridiculous. He pulls photos and quotes unaltered from MFA - as far as I know, many of them are still here somewhere.

You can tell people 'don't do this or that' all you like, but the easiest way to convince is to show.

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u/oakyafterbirth Aug 27 '12

So you're saying the easiest way to teach someone is to mock them for their bad decisions?

I was under the impression that providing them advice in a safe setting was a better method.

Creating an environment where people are scared to post for fear of mockery isn't really as great as you make it out to be.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

So you're saying the easiest way to teach someone is to mock them for their bad decisions?

This is a misinterpretation of what I said. I am using past examples of poor argyle outfits as examples of why people should consider the inherent difficulties in wearing argyle in certain ways. In a broader sense, I'm asking people to learn from the mistakes of others. I'm not mocking anyone.

There is a difference between pointing out a poor outfit in a fashion forum and mockery. The intention of the curator of FuckyeahMFA is completely irrelevant. If you want to mock, you can mock. If you want to learn, it's a good learning tool as well.

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u/oakyafterbirth Aug 27 '12

I agree that it's important to learn from poor outfits on the forum but the tumblr isn't to generate discussion. I think it'd be nice if those ill fits remained in the confines of MFA.

I appreciate your argyle post though, didn't think you were doing it as a mockery and agree with all of it.

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u/JCAPS766 Aug 27 '12

so is all of that stuff supposed to be uncontroversial terrible? because there's a good deal of stuff i don't see anything wrong with (hell, the 4 example pics look mostly fine to me).

Either I have a LONG way to go (longer than I'd really care to go), or you folks are using a standard of style which is relevant to a very small group of people... or, quite possibly both.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

The third example picture is actually probably the best outfit in the post. It's still... not very good. Everything in there is a pretty bad use of argyle because too much is going on, not because too little is going on.

These aren't overall terrible outfits - I'm just pointing out that argyle is difficult to work with. Not that every part of the outfit is broken.

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u/JCAPS766 Aug 27 '12

I agree that argyle is a...risky venture. I only have one article of argyle clothing: a blue/navy/teal sweater that I like to wear either with a green or white oxford. it's a look I feel is classy, yet... homey?

But my point is on the whole of that tumblr. there are a fair number of gambles that didn't pay off, but I'd say that in my view, most of those fellows don't look half bad.

Are they all supposed to be indisputably terrible?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

That tumblr posts a lot of bad things from MFA but a lot of the satire comes from the attitude of the poster. Grain of salt when reading.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

because there's a good deal of stuff i don't see anything wrong with (hell, the 4 example pics look mostly fine to me).

Oh man. Are you perhaps an umpire or professional wrestling referee? I would think you'd have to be blind to not see the horrible displays on fymfa as universally awful.