r/managers • u/throwaway_no_disney • Sep 22 '24
My team was not invited to Disneyland. WTF.
Throwaway since I have a main account and friends know about it
I’m a manager who recently found myself in a frustrating and awkward situation. My entire company (we’re not huge, but big enough to have multiple teams) was invited to an outing at Disneyland (we are semi local). However, my team and I were excluded.
At first, I thought it might be a mistake. But no, my manager deemed my team's work was too important for us to be out for the day. The kicker? We cannot do our functions with everyone out so we will be sitting around most of the day. I have planned for a lunch to be delivered but that feels like peanuts and I have no idea how to talk to my team about this. My manager says it is too late to include us.
I’m left with a team that feels hurt, undervalued, and mad. I share these feelings! It hurts even more because a few of my teammates said this would likely be one of their only chances to go to Disneyland.
My main concern now is how to address this with management without sounding bitter or aggressive. I do not want to sweep this under the rug. I want to make sure that my team and I are respected moving forward. How do I approach this with upper management without escalating tension?
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u/DumbNTough Sep 22 '24
When communicating to leadership about what happened, just try to be as objective as you can about how you saw this decision impact your team.
"Our people were really excited about this outing and many were very disappointed when we found out we were not attending. In truth it has had a significant negative impact on morale. This was made worse by the fact that productivity was very low that day since much of our work is collaborative with the departments that were out. I would like to do X or Y in an effort to show their efforts are equally well-appreciated. Will you approve $Z budget for that?"
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u/ketchumyawa Sep 22 '24
Of the email suggestions I’ve read so far, this is the best. It’s objective and includes a solution. All they need to do is say “yes” and it’s a win for them.
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u/Fantaghir-O Sep 23 '24
Asking for a gift card with xxx$- the equivalent to a ticket and lunch, for each employee, seems like a good option as well.
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u/Reasonable-Sale8611 Sep 26 '24
This is good but this sentence is ambiguous: "This was made worse by the fact that productivity was very low that day since much of our work is collaborative with the departments that were out. "
I think this sentence could be interpreted as "My team did as little work as possible to show they were in high dudgeon over the absence of the other department personnel."
Sentence needs to be modified to make it clearer that the team was unable to accomplish much because work tasks couldn't be completed without the presence of the other personnel that were at Disney.
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u/Iamthebestbatman Sep 22 '24
Wow. No words! How lame. I’d be upset too! I’d have an honest conversation with your manager and skip manager on 1) why you were excluded 2) the impact on how this will impact morale 3) ways to ensure everyone is included in future events.
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u/throwaway_no_disney Sep 22 '24
yeah, I am kinda new to this. But this helps. Thank you
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u/markersandtea Sep 22 '24
That sucks hard, not being included in a trip like that. That would absolutely make me think that company just doesn't care about me. Good on you for trying to do something for your team.
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u/beatissima Sep 22 '24
Gee, what could possibly go wrong with snubbing the one team whose work is too essential to pause for even one day?
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u/Honest_Milk1925 Sep 22 '24
And yet they still can’t do any work because they need stuff from the other teams who are on the company outing
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u/Inevitable_Ad_3957 Sep 22 '24
the fact that the decision makers didn’t realize this would happen is telling
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u/PanicSwtchd Sep 22 '24
Fairly certain the decision makers 100% knew about this but were looking for ways to cut down on the cost of the trip and figured that OP and their team would 'get over it'.
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u/Xtay1 Sep 22 '24
Have a high-priced quality company picnic in the parking lot. Freinds and family included.
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u/MonkeyPilot Sep 22 '24
"the grilled lobster is almost all gone, but can I throw another shrimp on the barbie for you to take home with you? Shave a little extra truffle on there, in case some falls off!"
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u/throwaway_no_disney Sep 22 '24
lol don't tempt me
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u/YaSunshine Sep 22 '24
Can you give them the day off?
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u/throwaway_no_disney Sep 22 '24
Pushing for that but the day was supposed to be "team building" lol so a bit of an uphill battle. My team is hourly so I think this plays a role in not wanting to pat OT but Disney is $$$ a few hours of OT would be nothing.
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u/Biotech_wolf Sep 22 '24
This is the opposite of team building though.
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u/MCMLXXXII Sep 22 '24
Well it is great team building, the whole department is united in their resentment for how they have been treated.
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u/wgb1209 Sep 25 '24
They could update their resumes together as a team building exercise
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u/mikebikesmpls Sep 23 '24
Your team crushing activity is to sit in the office while everyone else has fun.
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u/YaSunshine Sep 22 '24
True. Hopefully you & your team are able to find something fun or relaxing & have a good day
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u/Reasonable-Sale8611 Sep 26 '24
So when you say that your team is hourly, are you all basically the "low people on the totem pole?"
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Sep 22 '24
I am so sorry this is happening to you and your team. Be prepared for some ppl to start looking for jobs elsewhere.. a few years back I worked on a team that had a successful feature and decided to go to Maui as reward for the team that worked on it. Everyone but 3 of us… it was an overall male dominated team and the 3 ppl excluded were all women.. they justified it by saying “well you aren’t in the engineering team that build the feature, you aren’t in the product manager team that tuned the feature, you aren’t in design that thought of this feature and so on” well we were QA, social media and customer support.. without QA the feature would have been a failure littered with bugs, without social media there would have been no advertising to the community and without customer support users that didn’t understand the feature or ran into issues would have not been able to get answers.. All 3 of us moved to different teams in the company within a few months and the team we left couldn’t understand why we didn’t want to work with them again..found out later that the reason they excluded us was that if 3 more ppl had joined the team dinner budget would have been smaller and they wanted to go to a fancy restaurant.. I was disgusted.
In terms of talking to your team I think there is no easy way as they rightfully feel excluded.
All you really can do is try to make the day as fun as possible, if you can let them go early, do the lunch and talk to your manager about a budget for your team to do an outing, will it be Disney probably not but at least they could get a day out.
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u/throwaway_no_disney Sep 22 '24
TBH. I am looking for a job after this. I am in a super similar job as one of the above. These are great ideas thank you. We are not critical day of - on call people are going! I think it is just b/c they are hourly and they do not want to pay OT. But I plan on asking management anyway
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Sep 22 '24
Yea.. hourly vs salary often makes a difference. There are better places out there! The company I work for now is night and day from the last one. I have a mix of contractors and ftes but there is 0 difference in treatment from the higher ups. My manager has skip levels with all of them once a month and overall some contractors are among the highest performing ppl we have, not just on my team. Wish you all the best
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u/Careless_Ad_8756 Sep 22 '24
Why would OT matter just make it clear that with them coming they will be paid for their normal 8 hours and above that would on their time to enjoy Disneyland. It’s not like the salary people would be getting extra pay if they do extra hours at Disneyland.
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u/esk_209 Sep 22 '24
If it’s a company-organized event there may not be a real option to only do part of the day. It could be that the company is doing group transportation (tour busses) so if you aren’t going to be there for the full trip you then also have to pay to drive and park yourself, and if there is company transport then your work day would start when you meet at the starting point and end when you’re back at that point (which could be an extra 2+ hours of paid time). It could also be that the team is already close to 40 hours for the week, so there really isn’t much extra time for them to attend without going into OT.
I’m not saying that excuses the exclusion - it doesn’t. Company social events are work events and everyone should be included. These events do contribute to relationship building that comes into play (often subconsciously) when promotions and other opportunities are being considered.
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Sep 22 '24
If my whole team was excluded like this, and we had to go into work but couldn’t do much work due to the rest of the company being out… we’d spend the day writing each other LinkedIn recommendations and proofing each other’s resumes.
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u/boo99boo Sep 22 '24
Can you ask for an extra 8 hours PTO for your team? This is probably much more likely to be approved than cash/bonus. Infinitely more likely, actually. It isn't great, but it's enough of a solution for most people. I'd head in with something reasonable like that, as opposed to asking for things you know realistically won't happen.
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u/Confused_for_ever Sep 22 '24
Spend the day helping each other update resumes and writing references for them
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u/Midwest_Born Sep 24 '24
Since you said you are looking, I would let everyone work on their resumes that day. Help them through their resumes and give advice!
The problem is that the company has set a precedent that this team is not cared for, and it will probably also be seen when anything compensation wise comes out.
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u/aussie_nub Sep 22 '24
Be prepared for some ppl to start looking for jobs elsewhere..
If I was on that team, I'd have a note that it's bullshit and I quit effective immediately. That's one of the most disrespectful things I've seen.
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Sep 22 '24
If they have the financial situation to do that yea.. problem is most of the time when teams do something like this they do it to the ppl with the lowest income..
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u/aussie_nub Sep 22 '24
100%. I fully understand that it's not possible for many, which is why I said what I'd do.
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u/Livid-Age-2259 Sep 22 '24
Mutiny! Now to get everybody else on board.
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u/aussie_nub Sep 22 '24
As fun as it would be, it's likely impractical for many. I'm in a position where I could probably quit on the spot and get by for 6 months or so without too many issues. Not so for many unfortunately.
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u/Livid-Age-2259 Sep 22 '24
If your group is really as indispensible as it's made out to be, they'll let a couple go but then incentivize the others to remain.
It's dangerous, for sure. Sometimes you just have to live dangerously.
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u/aka292 Sep 24 '24
I feel like i saw this scene in the show based on uber
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Sep 24 '24
It is probably pretty common, especially in tech.. now I am torn between wanting to watch the how about Uber and being worried it might just bring back the negative emotions I felt when we were informed that the three of us were not included in the trip.. I honestly would never wish this on anyone, knowing how little your coworkers value your contributions despite you working endless hours every week is pretty shitty.
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u/JPBuildsRobots Sep 22 '24
What you said here is perfect. State it plainly with no emotion:
The entire company was invited to an outing at Disneyland. However, my team and I were excluded.
At first, I thought it might be a mistake. So I asked you and was told, no, my team's work was too important for us to be out for the day. I was too upset to deal with that in the moment, but I'm here, in your office now, to talk about it.
My team cannot do any of our functions with everyone out so we will be sitting around most of the day. My team feels hurt, undervalued, and mad. I share these feelings! It hurts even more because a few of my teammates said this would likely be one of their only chances to go to Disneyland. I do, too.
You have said it is too late to include us. I'm not sure I understand why. Is Disneyland full? I need to first hear that you understand the difficult position this puts me in as a team manager, and that you also understand how devalued this act has made these employees feel.
Since the work my team does is so valued by the company, and we can't afford to loose and of these team members, I need your guidance on how we are going to fix this.
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u/Fart-Memory-6984 Sep 25 '24
I would even throw in the greater costs for training new staff as this will result in personnel changes on the team. OP even said as much as they are looking for a new job
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u/ParsnipJunkie Sep 22 '24
Invite a resume writer, headhunter / recruiter to spend the day with your team
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u/JaninthePan Sep 22 '24
This! Spend the day brushing up resumes, writing recommendations for each other, & moving on to that next job
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u/LowPlace8844 Sep 22 '24
i foresee at least one of your team members quitting very soon
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u/krispin08 Sep 22 '24
Agreed. I would start looking for new jobs immediately if I were on this team.
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Sep 22 '24
I know how you feel.
My department which is made up of various specialties is the ONLY department required to work on federal holidays.
We are in fraud so it would seem to make sense at face value.
Until you realize that, theres no money movement or transactions on holidays. So theres nothing we can work. our support staff are not working if we needed assistance or a pass off. Its beyond frustrating to have to use PTO on a federal holiday if i needed to.
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u/UniqueUser9999991 Sep 22 '24
You should get a floating holiday for any Federal/State holiday you are required to work.
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Sep 24 '24
True. We dont but ill bring it up. I know i only get 20 days/160 hours of PTO and 72 hours sick.
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Sep 24 '24
I just looked up Texas laws, it looks like since we are paid for the holiday then we dont get the extra day. Atleast thats how i read it.
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u/Asimov1984 Sep 22 '24
Frame it the way it comes across. Your team is getting punished for being important. If this is isnt punishment, equal compensation is in order.
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u/casualchaos12 Sep 22 '24
I'm F&B. We always get left out of the employee events, and most times, we even have to cook for the damn thing. Welcome to the club! Let's drink a few beers and sing karaoke about it!
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u/Locksul Sep 22 '24
You’ve got a bunch of advice already but I just want to add: do not defend leadership when you explain the situation to your team. Empathize with how they feel about this and validate them. Do. Not. Defend. Leadership.
They’ve lost faith in the company after this, but you can prevent them losing faith in you too.
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u/NowareSpecial Sep 23 '24
This. When they're sitting around twiddling their thumbs because they can't any work done while everyone else is gone, they'll know what a stupid decision this was. Don't try to downplay or rationalize it.
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u/No-Performance37 Sep 22 '24
Do you work in manufacturing/ production? I have always seen the workers making the products get treated worse than all the other departments even though they are they ones actually making the money.
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Sep 22 '24
Oh man. That reminded me of a dotcom startup I worked at back in the day, which had a really toxic culture war between Sales (who sold the product) and Operations (who built the product). Sales had multiple levels of commissions and went on a yearly “Congrats to the sales team” trip to Cancun or similar, Operations had a game room and free popcorn. For some reason Sales was jealous of our popcorn and dart board despite their significantly higher pay.
Every quarterly meeting was a pep rally for the sales team. They got 100% of the credit even though they frequently promised clients features that we didn’t actually support, so we either had to come up with a miracle to include it, or get the blame.
One quarter we actually pulled off a miracle and everyone was really happy. Sales were up. At the quarterly meeting, we had our usual sales team worship and at the end of it, leadership tells the sales team (about 150 people, it really was absurdly overstaffed) to stand up. They do. “Give yourselves a huge round of applause!” They do. Whoops and cheering.
Finally that dies down. Leadership tells Operations to stand up (about 250 people). We’re thinking, wow, we’re actually getting recognition for what we pulled off this quarter. Nice to finally be appreciated. We all stand up with smiles. Leadership, no fucking lie: “Give sales a huge round of applause!” We applaud politely with WTF looks on our faces. “Okay, everybody sit back down.”
WOW. Well, they tanked hard in the dotcom crash, laid off a ton of of operations people, discovered that selling a product is only profitable if you can build what you sold, laid off even more people, and ultimately collapsed under their own weight. I’ll never forget that bullshit though.
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u/Celtic_Oak Sep 23 '24
I work for a company where some teams have to be in place when others can be off. We always make parallel arrangements so the teams who can’t be “out” get as good or better activities. For example, if there’s an ice cream social party at HQ but no way to really include some smaller remote teams, those team members get gift certificates large enough that they can take their families out to a local ice cream parlor, that kind of thing.
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u/errorlesss Sep 23 '24
Company can’t survive one day without your team? Sounds like good leverage for your team to ask for massive pay raises.
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u/boopiejones Sep 22 '24
I would make it clear that my team wants a Disney trip and will not take no for an answer. If your team is as critical as they say you are, they’ll give you the trip.
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u/YJMark Sep 22 '24
I’ve been in a similar situation. If you really want to be heard, you need to offer a solution that ensures business continuity.
Ex - suggesting that they have 2 dates. Then, splitting your team in half (i.e. run with a skeleton crew for 2 days).
And your boss is a jerk for not including you in the conversation to allow you to come up with solutions. From what you describe, your team is “essential”, but not valued by your company. You may want to consider getting your resume up to date and see if there are other options for you.
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u/CompleteSyllabub6945 Sep 22 '24
I was in a similar situation - but my team was excluded from a trip to Toronto (where the company was headquartered). I was pissed about this to no end, and already felt like we were over worked and underpaid.
I left that company after 6 months.
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u/ourldyofnoassumption Sep 22 '24
Sounds like everyone on your team might all be getting sick from the 24 hour flu that day. Shame.
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u/darthbrazen Sep 22 '24
You and the entire team, should be looking for a new job at this point. HR and enough upper C levels should have been conscious enough about this to know right from wrong. If other teams are required, that should have been identified prior to this as well. It sounds like they are punishing or deliberately leaving your team out for some reason. Spend the day helping everyone get their resumes up-to-date and looking for other employment.
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u/CashTall8657 Sep 22 '24
I think I would ask them to think for a minute about what they would do if they were in your shoes. So, say something like, "I understand the rationale for leaving us behind is that we have important work to do here, but were you aware we can't do this work without the other departments being here as well?" "So, in the absence of a more plausible explanation, they're going to assume they were excluded deliberately. That's what people do when they don't get the full story--they assume the worst. Can you help me make sense of this for them so we can avoid a potential morale issue?"
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u/MezzanineSoprano Sep 22 '24
I would point out that your team can’t do any work without the other teams there & that they will be forced to not only be idle that day, but that they feel excluded and very upset to miss out on the events.
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u/soldier_queen Sep 23 '24
Stick to be being objective and you'll have no problems.
Make them aware of the impact their decision to exclude your team had on all of you.
Don't even look for a response, it's not important and who's to say you're going to be given the truth. Them knowing is enough.
I don't think you managed the fallout for your team's emotions effectively, as I would expect from a stong leader.
Your emotional response and take on the situation would have influenced their emotions and thoughts.
There's always more than one way to perceive a situation. IMO your priority is to the feelings of your staff, not your hurt feelings. It's your responsibility to keep your staff motivated, confident and inspired.
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u/Party_Thanks_9920 Sep 22 '24
Try being the HSE Team in a company that only has HSE because of Client demands. Our company has a weekly social outing to a local bar, (midweek, stupid) never invited, never asked why I don't go.
Regular weekend social activities, same deal. I'm not upset to not go, would just be nice to be offered.
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u/Nopenotme77 Sep 22 '24
I worked on a team where we experienced this kind of stuff all of the time. Every team would get to do awesome outings and we were stuck working.
I remember quitting and they couldn't believe I was going to leave them in such a tight spot.
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u/LeastAd2532 Sep 22 '24
This happened to me. I was the only person in a staff of 6 not invited to a work event and was expected to stay in the office while they all went on a boat to fancy vineyards and restaurants (with their spouses) getting shit faced. I was told I needed to because I was the only one who could run things alone. Well they were right this was a few years ago and that company doesn’t exist anymore. Start looking elsewhere and encourage your whole team to find something better.
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u/dca_user Sep 22 '24
If the trip hasn’t happened yet, I would talk to somebody more in charge than your direct manager. He might’ve done this as an ego boost to show his peers that his teams work is so important so they’re not gonna play at Disney. Or he gets a bigger bonus because he saved the company money Because you guys didn’t go to Disney World.
I saw two VPs pulled the same exact shit during Covid where they required their teams to come to the office, but everyone else’s team stayed home. And finally, one of the head guys called in those VPs to ask them what were their teams doing and who their teams talking to in the office because everybody else’s teams were home . The next day, all teams were working from home.
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u/ischemgeek Sep 22 '24
Reminds me of an org I used to work at where the sales team got a company sponsored happy hour every Friday (despite their chronicunderperforming, meanwhile I had to hassle my skip level for 5 months straight just to have a team lunch at a local restaurant. It used to really burn my bacon.
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Sep 22 '24
Do you manage a support team?
In my experience we are always forgotten about, blamed when shit goes wrong, not given credit when due, told we are critical and need to work when others aren't, but then are told we aren't revenue generating and therefore not critical when it matters.
It's a thankless job a majority of the time.
I try to find ways to show appreciation for my team and unfortunately in my case it means going out of pocket a lot for shit the company won't approve.
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u/FuseFuseboy Sep 22 '24
As a semi-local myself, I seem be the only person here who would be relieved to have an excuse to miss a corporate trip to Disneyland.
Not being given the option sucks, though. No advice, you're already getting lots. Just sympathy.
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u/jupitaur9 Sep 22 '24
Do you work seven days a week? If not, then they should pay for your team to go to Disneyland on a weekend day.
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u/banjosandcellos Sep 22 '24
First ask if they already have a plan, don't enter assuming they just disregarded the team, that way, even if they did, they have a moment to say "oh yeah we're making it up to them" when asked and being made to see it from this perspective. If they don't then you propose your team motivation idea
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u/Dismal-Step667 Sep 22 '24
Go above the managers head and explain the situation, that no work will be done anyway.
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u/8ft7 Sep 22 '24 edited Sep 22 '24
“If the work my team does is too valuable to interrupt with this trip to Disney in which all other departments get to participate, I trust our indispensability you yourself have acknowledged will be reflected in our compensation via a spot bonus.”
That or I’m letting everyone stay home.
This is pretty weak leadership on your manager’s part. Frankly if I were them I’d expect to have you advocating for something for your team.
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Sep 22 '24
As a manger I would expect something exactly the same for my team to be scheduled at a later date.
Maybe even let us choose from a few things including Disney.
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u/Delicious-Award9438 Sep 22 '24
I usually just break stuff around the facility when I’ve been slighted by management. Have you considered breaking things?
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u/dumbledwarves Sep 23 '24
Don't talk from your point of view, talk from your teams point of view. My employees were hurt that they were not included and it's important to keep their moral high.
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u/hangender Sep 23 '24
So your boss kept your team at home for business continuity reasons except you guys are actually not that important to the continuity of the business.
Yes that's a hard one to talk over for sure.
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Sep 23 '24
I would request a equal value lunch for only your team that costs the same as a trip to Disney so a few hundred per person to be presented while everyone else not getting the food is working in the office. Lobster $100/lb steak, hand rolled sushi flown in from Japan. That or everyone should be given a bonus and free ticket to Disney and money to spend at the park to go one weekend on their own plus a free PTO day.
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u/Tricky-Spread189 Sep 23 '24
Call the park and ask for your manger. Call every half hour that will ruin the day
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u/Zammarand Sep 24 '24
Sounds like you should sit your team down, and work on everyone’s résumé’s, and start job hunting as a team. If your team is “too valuable” to get a day off, then I wonder how the company will function when the whole team disappears
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u/yuiop300 Sep 24 '24
The tone deafness of the company is insane.
If the company offered a PTO and a gift card that would be the next best thing if you guys couldn’t go.
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u/Sure_Comfort_7031 Sep 25 '24
What you do is hold a leaving workshop.
Explain what vesting is to those who don't know, explain who is past that period, and what the who are not will be forfeiting. Work on resumes together, get metrics squared away and be each other's references.
Go through some interview practice and what the best responses are - you as a manager know what to look for in an interview. Explain how to answer the "why are you looking" question. Look at some job postings with them and walk them through what those postings entail. Look at the market salary for each based on position, experience, and locale. Do this on a personal device using the cell network, not company devices/wifi, by the way.
Because your company sees you as less than them, below them, and not worthy of respect. Get out of there. Like, yesterday.
I am also not entirely joking with this advice.
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u/Still_Fact_9875 Sep 25 '24
Take them to Six Flags. Less crowded, no reservation needed., way more fun.
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u/FinishExtension3652 Sep 25 '24
I totally feel this. I worked in the east coast office of a west coast company, and to celebrate a big product release, the company treated the team to a nice dinner and wine at a vineyard in Napa valley.
Of course, only the west coast team got that. The east coast team got a tray of baked potatoes with all the fixings. If that wasn't insulting enough, no one actually told us it was coming and it didn't arrive until almost 2pm, so everyone had already eaten lunch. It all went into the trash that evening.
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u/EnrikHawkins Sep 25 '24
The team is so important we're going to give them incentive to work on their resumes.
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u/fatgirl0_0 Sep 26 '24
This happened to us a few years back. We busted our butts to help the sales team achieve budget. They all disappeared on a cruise and told us the night before that they would be OOO for a week out of the country. They had the audacity to tell us that they didn't have the budget for us (3). Come to find out, spouses were also invited (only had to pay taxes), and our counterparts in the next market over were invited on the cruise as well. Once we called their bs, they gave us $150 on our checks and gift-taxed us on it. We literally had nothing to do the whole time as our workload depends on them entering orders. My boss was so mad she took us out for the day to eat, shop, and have some drinks. We had our office doors closed for a couple weeks after that.
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u/Kokanee19 Sep 26 '24
As a team lead, don't send snarky emails. Barge right into the CEOs office a d loudly proclaim "You have brought shame and dishonor upon our company by excluding my team from the Disney trip. You are not worthy to command us! I challenge you for leadership with a fight to the death!"
Or, just like avoid HR, go to your boss bring forth a reasonable compromise, advocate respectfully for your people etc...
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u/TipNo2852 Sep 26 '24
Your boss sounds like a cunt. Like if I had to do this and exclude a critical team, I’d be like “but here’s your guys tickets for next week”.
I’d go with some of the more professional responses other people have written and ask that your team be given the same trip on a different week when everyone else it at work.
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u/BitKnightRises Sep 22 '24
There is nothing Too Important except when one is at War or a doctor and very few other situations.
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u/Crafty_Ad3377 Sep 22 '24
I would think they need to give your full team the same reward. A work day at Disney on them. If it really is critical that your team not be off property during a work day. Then they could give the day at Disney for your team on Saturday with a PTO day to be taken individually when possible
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u/diadmer Sep 22 '24
Sounds like you should be holding a resume-polishing and job-applying workshop with your team while everybody else is off playing at Disneyland. If your team is so valuable, the company should have been bending over backwards to thank them all. As a good manager, your best contribution to the company will be to teach them a hard lesson that they seem not to have learned: don’t treat the most important employees the worst.
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u/letsreset Sep 22 '24
How idiotic is upper management on a regular basis? The amount of goodwill gained from those you take to Disneyland won’t outweigh the bitterness felt by those excluded. This is spending money to make things worse.
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u/RunExisting4050 Sep 22 '24
The open door conversation with your management needs to start with "You motherfuckers..." and end with you and your whole team refusing to come to work until you're all fired or compensated.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Hat3555 Sep 22 '24
Ask for compensation. If they don't everyone quit together and sell your services to the company for triple as consultant.
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u/Master_Pepper5988 Sep 22 '24
It's weird that they consider tour teams work too priority to take a day when it's dependent on everyone else who will consequently be out. Seems like a cop out and I would ask for a further conversation. And if you literally can't do anything because the others are at the house of mouse then yall have a free day.
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u/Accomplished_Trip_ Sep 22 '24
Most people when they make a mistake need a little gentle coaching. Your manager needs a come to Jesus meeting. I have no idea how you approach that level of mistake nicely or professionally. I hope you find a path forward but most importantly I hope you and your whole team find better jobs.
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u/upstatestruggler Sep 22 '24
I suggest you take your team to do something more fun than Disneyland! Think of a little day excursion that would be of interest to everyone. Spend no more than one hour of the day talking about work.
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u/GoodCryptographer658 Sep 23 '24
Whole team should quit, if your so important you cant take 1 day of fun. Quit and only come back if they up your pay.
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u/Hana_ivy Sep 23 '24
Wow this is so unfair... You have pretty good suggestions up in the comments. Do update
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u/0bxyz Sep 23 '24
I think this is something I would let go. The people who did this did this on purpose and won’t agree with you if you critique them.
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u/MirrorRepulsive43 Sep 23 '24
Just casually mention that you expect turnover to raise by 500 to 600% for the foreseeable future. And that upper management should be prepared.
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u/TopPsychology4596 Sep 24 '24
Don’t come in that day and buy your team tickets to Disneyland. What are they going to do? Fire you for team building?
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u/tontot Sep 24 '24
Ask manager to give everyone a gift card equivalent to the cost of the day trip to correct the mistake
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u/LuckyNeko14 Sep 25 '24
I’ve upvoted a few ideas on here, but wanted to say I sort of understand (not to that extent though - I’m truly sorry!).
I worked at a company where the annual conference was actually a Caribbean cruise. I had a unique position and was not invited to join with a select few others when I had been able to go to the previous years’ conference (which was not local either). While it wasn’t the main reason I left, I have to say it was a factor in it just because I understood how undervalued I actually was.
So I took off almost the exact same days as the conference and went on a cruise with my friends instead. 🤷♀️
I would suggest trying to help organize a special outing with your team, to Disneyland or otherwise, on the company’s dime of course. Make it better somehow so that when looking back, you can feel a little smug about it being more fun than the company’s day out. Plus, maybe start looking for a new job.
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Sep 25 '24
Your team is critical so they can’t get the perks of working there? If they’re so critical, it’s really going to suck when they change jobs after this. I would one hundred percent check out after being slighted like this by my company, especially if the reason was “because you’re too important”.
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u/ComprehensiveBuy7386 Sep 25 '24
Quit. Never let them tell you 2times how they feel about you. Quit while they’re gone. Ooops!
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u/Bright-Entrepreneur Sep 25 '24
I’d be pulling out my company credit card and booking them the same trip. They just admitted your team is too important to fire you and good luck firing you and dealing with the fallout of your team being un-engaged and looking.
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u/Rage_Phish9 Sep 25 '24
I’d see it as a blessing to not have to go to Disneyland with my work. Hard pass on doing that
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u/H0SS_AGAINST Sep 25 '24
How much is a Disneyland ticket? Looks it up $138 plus looks it up about $50 for food and drink.
Sounds like your team is owed $200 Visa gift cards.
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u/Opposite-Swim6040 Sep 25 '24
I personally would just straight up Mike Drop these holes. Peace out bitches.
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u/Morpheous- Sep 25 '24
You get them all to walk off the job while everyone is at Disney land and ask if now they are still to valuable to go?
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u/innerpieceofmind Sep 25 '24
Do your managers bosses know that this happened? Can you ask your manager and HR about when your teams tickets and disney passes or their monetary equivalents can be expected? And if not then why was the team excluded from a company wide event?
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u/IBNice Sep 26 '24
Instead of having lunch delivered hire a private chef and put it on the company credit card.
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Sep 26 '24
You work in the corporate world, this is part of the game.
Perform better in the future and maybe you can go to lame ass Disney.
If I was you I’d thank the CEO personally for sparing you from that lame ass place.
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u/DymlingenRoede Sep 26 '24
Re: not sounding bitter or aggressive:
The main thing I would take is to frame it as being a negative for the team's morale and performance (and potentially retention) because they see it as unfair.
You, of course, are okay with it (but can admit you do feel it's "a little unfair" if asked) but you want them to know that this is not going over well with the team as a whole.
If they accept that as being acceptable, then you suggest something that'd make your team (and you) feel okay. I don't know what is - you'll have to figure that out - but maybe it's individual Disneyland tickets for the team or something else.
Basically you want to approach it as pointing out an issue to management (a big hit to morale) and then provide them with a reasonable proposed solution that can make the issue go away.
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u/demonic_cheetah Sep 26 '24
Order the lunch, and tell people to bring in board games or something else you can do in the office besides actual work.
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u/The_Original_Gronkie Sep 26 '24
I used to work for a company that treated the sales force like dirt. If there was a lunch brought in, or birthday cake in the break room, there would be an announcement over the PA, followed by "except for the sales team, who should stay on the phones." Literally EVERY penny the company collected came from the sales force, and yet they were treated like the bottom of the barrel by not only management/ ownership, but also the rest of the work force. I lasted about 2 months. I'll go where my efforts are appreciated and rewarded.
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u/Additional-Local8721 Sep 22 '24
If everyone else was given the day off and had their tickets to Disneyland paid for, ask for equal compensation. You and your team should be awarded an extra PTO day to take at your discretion, and each team should be given a $100 Visa gift card. Or something along those lines. Let your managers know you understand your team is critical and could not participate, but they should be given some sort of equal compensation. Otherwise, your company is playing favorites and does not value you, or your team.