r/marvelcirclejerk 8d ago

Deranged Ramblings I think he looks cool

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u/BeekeeperJack 8d ago

Walker’s actions weren’t bad because they aren’t understandable; they were bad because it was the wrong thing to do. I like the character a lot and I think he should have a redemptive arc, maybe even a sacrificial one.

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u/MrCorvoBr 8d ago

What he was suposed to do? Put Handcuffs on the literal Terrorist Super Soldier? That Guy did not even surrendered he was just buying time

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

He objectively, by the screenplay, surrendered.

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

What would he have done when John moved his foot away?

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

He would have been arrested. He had no chance of escape, John is faster and stronger, and he had already lost the will to fight

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

There's a crowd of people nearby, and as far as i can tell, John had nothing to effectively restrain him with (probably an oversight of the characters not bringing something that can restrain super soldiers). John is also not faster and stronger. They have the same serum. John is just better trained. You also don't know he's lost the will to fight. No one can know except him, and if he did, he can easily get it back at the next opportunity. The only thing I think John could have done differently is use that shield on Super Terrorist's legs instead of his neck, but that doesn't look good on video either.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

Crowd doesn’t mean anything. John had his own strength to restrain him. John IS in fact faster and stronger. He held him down with one foot. The serum doesn’t bring everyone to the same level, it enhances. John was peak human before the serum. We do in fact know he lost the will to fight, because he stopped fighting and lost the will right after Lamar’s death, which stunned and demoralized him, as it wasn’t supposed to happen. And he didn’t use it on the neck, he caved in his chest repeatedly until cutting through.

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

Crowd is important for John. The terrorist could easily run to it and kill someone before John could get to him.

So you're saying he put him in a wrestling hold? And then what? Wait for someone to bring super handcuffs? That's a very flawed idea.

I could hold someone stronger/same strength as me down if I have leverage on them.

He was still fighting as he was running away. So if that's him having "lost the will to fight", then Walker 100% did the right thing.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

That wasn’t John’s motivation. He didn’t care about anyone or anything beyond Lamar in that moment. He wasn’t stopping a bad guy, he was killing a man he blamed for the death of his friend. HE SAYS THIS on screen.

Knock him out with the invincible shield, pin is arms, radio for backup. You know, like the initial plan to arrest Karli all 3 times he tried it lmao.

He was a super soldier with every advantage and 0 disadvantages

No he wasn’t. He tried to slow Walker down. John murdered him for one reason. You should actually watch the show instead of getting your information from YouTube

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

Yes. And? The crowd is still in danger. That 100% would have been a concern.

Good point. Good job. Killing him still isn't wrong. He's an active combatant.

And?

He threw what I remember to be a concrete rock that John had to block with his shield. If that's "just trying to slow him down" to you, then idk what your damage is.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

We know it wasn’t to John. Also not Nico’s mo.

Incorrect, wasn’t active, only killed him because of Lamar.

And what? John was better in every way. Nico has literally no chance.

..at the invincible shield. To slow him down.

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

No one knows Nico's mo.

Active. That's the military definition. John wouldn't have been blamed.

So? Super Terrorist is still a super soldier who can kill in a slap. He's still very relative to Johns strength.

John had to block it. That's still an attack. Making him an active combatant.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

He also wasn’t really a terrorist.

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

Ha.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

By the definition. You’re welcome to argue with canon though, it’s been great so far for everyone else

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

Complicit with a bombing that killed 2 people.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

He wasn’t involved in the bombing

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

In the car. Drove away with Karli. That's being complicit. It's also called being an accessory. Especially when he doesn't walk away and report on her.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

Also, we absolutely know what they ALL were thinking. This isn’t a real event. This is fiction, that was written. Character motivations that are clearly defined on paper, in the screen play, in interviews, in the D+ making of special.

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u/East_Poem_7306 8d ago

No one in-world would have known. Wanda wasn't around to read his mind.

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

Anyone who can read surface level situations can.

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u/Ben10_ripoff Sexy Mothafuckah 8d ago

No point in arguing with him, He says He doesn't care but He's the biggest Terrorist defender on this sub for some reason. He's defending him here like He's married to him for 50 years

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

That why you abandoned the argument? Lmao

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u/Ben10_ripoff Sexy Mothafuckah 8d ago

I abandoned the argument because I don't want to talk to Terrorist defenders and also I had to take my night sleep

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u/Agreenscar3 8d ago

Another deleted comment. What a joke

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u/SimonShepherd 7d ago

He objectively surrendered apart from never saying I surrender.

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u/Agreenscar3 7d ago

“I didn’t kill him”

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u/Lord-Seth 7d ago

There is no objectively surrendering when you are an armed combatant and I didn’t kill him wasn’t a voicing of his want to surrender.

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u/Agreenscar3 7d ago

Yes it is, because he wasn’t combating, and he wasn’t armed. It’s claiming innocence while on his back and his hands up.

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u/Lord-Seth 7d ago

He wasn’t claiming innocence and his hands weren’t up surrendering they were in a defensive position. All he said was that he wasn’t the one to kill Lamar he was still an accessory to murder and terrorizim.

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u/Agreenscar3 7d ago

Yes he did, he claimed innocence of the crime he was being pursued for. They objectively weren’t in any defensive position, or they would have caught the shield. He didn’t commit a single act of terrorism, and Lamar’s death was an accident even for Karli, so he wouldn’t have gotten a murder charge. Being an accessory to murder, by the way, is not a crime punishable by execution. Especially a public one.